Are RET and C-m really the same exactly? - emacs

In the graphical mode, RET does the same as C-m, namely newline.
However, when I use M-a or M-e, they seem to distinguish between them. The newline produced by RET, they skip all to a double-RET point, and with the newline produced by C-m, they move the cursor line by line. Why so?
Description (C-h k) for both keys shows the same.
If it matters, it is Emacs23.3.1 on Ubuntu 12.04.

The answer could be dependent on the mode you're in as well as in the key codes generated by your operating system. When I hit Ctrl-h k Ctrl-m in the *scratch* buffer on my Windows box, I'll get the info for (newline) with the information that it is bound to RET. Theoretically, in some other mode, C-m and RET could be set to different functions. This requires, of course, that the OS doesn't generate the same key code.

What Emacs writes as RET (or as <RET>) is, yes, the same character as C-m - it is the ASCII control character 13. This is so regardless of what keyboard etc. you have.
However, the logical key (aka "key sequence") that Emacs sees when you hit the phisical (keyboard) key named Enter or Return might be different from RET (aka C-m). To see what key Emacs recognizes when you hit that keyboard key, use C-h k and hit the key. If Emacs says RET then this is the typical case, and yes, hitting that key is then identical to pressing Control and hitting m (assuming the key labeled Control does what it does typically).

In the graphical mode, the answer is yes (unless keys are redefined, of course).
Careful examination of my file showed that the effect I observed was a coincidence. It was exactly in those paragraphs which I C-m'ed that all lines would end in a dot (it was a poem).
Actually, C-h k key description says the same thing for both keys. Thanks to schaueho's answer for pushing me in this direction.

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Emacs: relation between keystrokes and keys

I am slightly confused by the difference between keys and key-bindings in emacs after reading the first chapter of "Writing GNU Emacs Extensions" (O'Reilly book).
The chapter starts by noting that in some emacs version the keys backspace and DEL, invoke the help menu instead of deleting. In other words, they invoke what is invoked by C-h.
The chapter then goes on to show how to change this behaviour using Lisp code. This is done by binding the keystroke C-h to the delete command.
This is a bit confusing to me. In my mind DEL, Backspace and C-h are three different keystrokes (the first two consisting of a single key).
Why does remapping C-h effect what DEL and Backspace does?
I would have thought to change what backspace does for example, you would remap backspace to another command, not the keystroke C-h.
Unless remapped by a low-level keybord driver, the effect of the Backspace key is to send the character with numeric code 8, which, in certain operating systems, is exactly the same code generated by pressing Control-h. You can verify this fact by simply writing anything on a unix (or linux) shell and then pressing Backspace and Control-h: both of them have the effect of erasing the previous character, since the character with numeric code 8 is interpreted by the operating system as the control character BS, backspace, used either to erase the last character printed or to overprint it (see wikipedia). Analogously, Control-J is equivalent to the RETURN key, etc.
The same Wikipedia page describe DEL as “originally intended to be an ignored character, but now used in some systems to erase a character”.
So, when you assign a command to a keystroke you are actually assigning a command to a character code, and if two or more keys generate the same code, by pressing them you are invoking the same command.
#Renzo answered your question about how these keys are related and how binding one can seem to affect another. Here is some more information about what's going on in this particular case.
See the Emacs manual, node DEL Does Not Delete.
There you will see this, following an explanation of the problem/confusion:
To fix the problem in every Emacs session, put one of the following
lines into your initialization file (*note Init File::). For the first
case above, where BACKSPACE deletes forwards instead of backwards, use
this line to make BACKSPACE act as DEL:
(normal-erase-is-backspace-mode 0)
For the other two cases, use this line:
(normal-erase-is-backspace-mode 1)
Another way to fix the problem for every Emacs session is to
customize the variable normal-erase-is-backspace: the value t
specifies the mode where BS or BACKSPACE is DEL, and nil
specifies the other mode. *Note Easy Customization::.
See also the GNU Emacs FAQ question about Backspace invoking help. There you will see, in addition to information similar to that above, information about how to remap DEL on UNIX - use this:
stty erase '^?'
Wrt C-j and RET (not mentioned in the question, but mentioned in #Renzo's answer): The default behavior of Emacs changed in most programming modes, in Emacs 24.4.
Starting with that release, electric--indent-mode is turned on by default, which means that RET inserts a newline character and indents, whereas C-j just inserts a newline character. Prior to that release, these keys had the opposite behaviors. If you prefer the old behavior then do this, to turn off electric-indent-mode:
(when (fboundp 'electric-indent-mode)
(electric-indent-mode -1)) ; Use classic `C-j' and `RET'.

emacs + konsole: key binding problems [duplicate]

In org-mode, pressing M-S-RET (meta-shift-return) will create a new TODO on a new line. This key sequence sends M-RET to emacs through my terminal. I've checked this with C-h c ESC-S-RET, which returns M-RET is undefined in the mini-buffer.
I'm using Snow Leopard with Emacs 23.2.1 running in Terminal.app. There is no option to define a RET sequence in the terminal keyboard preferences.
Any idea what's causing the missing SHIFT? Workarounds?
You can get Emacs to pretend that it got S-RET with C-x # S RET (note uppercase S).
This also works for adding control, meta, alt, hyper or super modifiers; type C-x # C-h for the list of bindings. The Modifier Keys section in the Emacs manual mentions this as well.
In general, lots of keystrokes are simply impossible to send via a terminal, since terminals emulate an old protocol that only allowed 256 separate keys (or maybe only 128).
Chances are, when you press S-RET, Terminal.app does exactly the same thing as if you'd pressed RET. Thus Emacs has no way to distinguish those two cases.
Cross-linking to other Q&As:
If you are using an xterm, then the modifyOtherKeys option may facilitate that binding. See the following for details:
Send "C-(" to Emacs in VT100/xterm terminal (Mac OS X's Terminal)?
I suspect Emacs recognises those codes by default, but if not then also see input-decode-map as described here: Binding M-<up> / M-<down> in Emacs 23.1.1
See explanation and alternative shortcuts for TTY here.
Some of these have worked for me in a terminal in Ubuntu Linux (both locally and over SSH), but not all of them seem to work. For example, the alternative provided for S-RET (which I expected to run org-table-copy-down) instead seems to run org-clone-subtree-with-time-shift for some reason. However, I have found the list of alternatives useful, particularly those with the M- prefix. For example ESC UP for M-UP to move text around in tables.

C-<SPC> is intercepted in emacs -nw (terminal intercept?)

I use urxvt (terminal) under awesome (window manager) and ubuntu (os).
In graphical mode, c- set the mark but in text mode it inserts a space.
The problem is solved when using gnome-terminal but some other key combinations still does not work. For instance, C-: insert a : in both terminals.
I do not know where to look at to correct this behaviour.
C-h k (help on key combination) followed by one of these combination shows only the key pressed along ctrl, for instance C- is interpreted as .
As stated in comments, the terminal is probably the cause. I believe that C- should not enter a space at the terminal prompt, which it does here.
I identified this question as being related. This one too.
In my case, Ctrl-Space was being used to change input methods. Running ibus-setup and unbinding it fixed my problem (it now produces Nul)
See also: https://askubuntu.com/questions/243639/ctrlspace-has-been-bound-to-invoke-some-input-method-and-does-not-work-in-ema

Why doesn't emacs detect C-<backspace> combination?

My problem is that I want to bind Control + Backspace combination to backward-delete-word function. However, it doesn't seem possible because emacs doesn't detect the Control key in combination with backspace.
I detected that by looking at the "logger" (C-h l). So if I press Backspace, it shows DEL. If I press Control + Backspace, it still shows DEL.
Is there any way to achieve that?
I have read and tried other questions, but couldn't fix it.
As #phils pointed out, if you are using Emacs in a terminal (e.g. emacs -nw) instead of as a GUI (no -nw command-line option), and if you are not on MS Windows, then by default certain key sequences are not available to you.
However, it might still be possible for you to configure the terminal (e.g., xterm) so that it in fact supports some such key sequences for Emacs. See this comment by the Emacs maintainer in the discussion of Emacs bug #10387.
(That said, you might find it simpler to just use a different key sequence. Or switch to the GUI version of Emacs.)

emacs: remapping C-[ (currently ESC)

I'm using emacs 23 on ubuntu 10.04. I would like to remap the "C-[" binding. Currently, when I press it, it gives me "ESC". Is there a way to remap it?
This is not an Emacs binding, but has global effect in X and it's used as handier substitute for ESC for people practicing touch typing. I guess you'll have to modify the X keymap if you want to use it in another fashion, but I wouldn't advice that.
C-[ is the ASCII ESCAPE character, which Emacs usually writes as ESC.
There is no key involved here (it's a character), and there is no key binding involved here. Or rather, your keyboard's Escape key sends the control character ESCAPE (also written C-[ and ESC).