Does MSMQ is an temporary storage location or else it will store and send messages to the someother queue also without help any other application.
MSMQ is a network protocol. You need to write applications that make use of that protocol. There is no communication between MSMQ-enabled machines without human intervention through coding.
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I'm trying to build instant messaging app. Clients will not only send messages but also often send audios. And I've decided to use websocket connection to communicate with clients. It is fast and allows to send binary data.
The main idea is to receive from client1 message and notify about it client2. But here's the thing. My app will be running on GAE. And what if client1's socket is opened on server1 and client2's is opened on server2. This servers don't know about each others clients.
I have one idea how to solve it, but I am sure it is shitty way. I am going to use some sort of communication between servers(for example JMS or open another websocket connection between servers, doesn't matter right now).
But it surely will lead to a disaster. I can't even imagine how often those servers will speak to each other. For each message server1 should notify server2, server2 should notify client2. But things become even worse when serverN comes into play.
Another way I see this to work is Firebase. But it restricts message size to 4KB. So I can't send audios via it. As a solution I can notify client about new audio and he goes to my server for it.
Hope I clearly explained the problem. Does anyone know how to solve it? Or maybe there are another ways to build such apps?
If you are building a messaging cluster and expect communicating clients to connect to different instances of the server then server-server communication is inevitable. Usually it's not a problem though.
First, if you don't use any load balancing your clients will connect to the same server 50% of time on average (in case of 2 servers).
Second, intra-datacenter links are fast and free in all known public clouds.
Third, you can often do something smart on the frontend to make sure two likely to communicate clients connect to the same server. For instance direct all clients from the same country to the same server using DNS load balancing.
The second part of the question is about passing large media files. It's a common best practice to send it out of band - store on the server and only pass the reference to it. Like someone suggested in the comment, save the audio on the server and just send a message like "audio is available, fetch it from here ...". You don't need to poll the server for that. Just fetch it once when the receiving client requests it.
In general, it seems like you are trying to reinvent the wheel. Just use something off the shelf.
Let all client get connected to multiple servers and each server keeps this metadata
A centralized system like zookeeper stores active servers details
When a client c1 sends a message to client c2:
the message is received by a server (say s1, we can add a load balancer to distribute incoming requests)
s1 will broadcast this information to all other servers to get which server the client c2 is connected to OR a better approach to use consistent hashing which decides which server the client can connect to & in this approach message broadcast is not required
the corresponding server responses to server s1 (say s2)
now s1 sends the message m to s2 and server s2 to client c2
Cons of the above approach:
Each server will have a connection with the n-1 servers, creating a mesh topology
Centralized system (zookeeper) becomes a single point of failures (which is solvable)
Apps like Whatsapp, G-Talk uses XMPP and TCP/IP.
We have many communication servers sending data packets. We would like to store these data packets coming from these server programs in MSMQ until an updater will process them. Data loss has been a concern and we would like to not lose any data packet coming from these server programs and want an efficient and performant solution.
What will be the best design approach?
Well, there are two basic things you need to do to get started. First, you'll want to modify the default installation to move the storage location to a drive that is mirrored and/or is not the same as the one that the operating system boots from on that server. Also you'll want to ensure there is enough space there to hold messages as they are queued, depending on the volume you're contemplating. This article covers that.
Second, you'll want to use transactions and journaling to ensure reliability. This is both a programming and infrastructure issue, so you can start by looking at this article, and then following up with a general guide on how to program against MSMQ correctly. This for example is a good starting point if you've never used MSMQ, although it's fairly basic. If you're going to use MSMQ as a binding/transport for WCF then you have the plumbing part pretty much covered; it's just a matter of configuring your services to handle the volume and traffic you think you're going to see.
We have many communication servers sending data packets.
When storing 'data packets', I would recommend writing [Serializable] .NET objects to WCF, mainly because WCF can read/write them transparently to MSMQ. This will be easier to work with, but if your data packets are say TCP/IP or binary packets, you will need to turn on 'Ordering', to ensure they go into the queue in the exact order they were placed.
MSMQ also has sessions, so if you want to group items together this is possible. WCF does not make this guarantee. You will need to write custom code for this, but it is only a case of assigning a unique ID to each message in a particular session.
Data loss has been a concern and we would like to not lose any data packet coming from these server programs
MSMQ can persist the data to disk, so if a server goes down, its queue is preserved. MSMQ can hold the queue in memory, which is more efficient but crashes/restarts will not retain the queue information.
and want an efficient( good performance )
MSMQ is fairly performant. The persistence to disk has a small overhead, but only due to the disk write. If performance includes multi-threading, MSMQ does not offer this feature as the queue is sequential, so must be processed in order. But this is typical of queue technologies.
MSMQ also have 4MB max message size, so keep in mind what you want to send across the network.
The only other thing is that MSMQ is not massively scalable. Its primary goal is guaranteed delivery. If you post millions of packets, they will get to their destination, but MSMQ does have a finite ability to push the messages to other machines. It operates a ThreadPool-like system, so it will not scale if this is also a requirement.
I have also added info to the #msmq-wcf wiki with a basic example of writing data.
I have an existing system and am wondering if MSMQueue can retain value of queue if it restarts. It clears the value when I restart.
As paxdiablo writes MSMQ is a persistent queueing solution, but not by default! The default is to store messages in RAM and to have MSMQ to persist messages to disk so they are not lost in case of a server crash you have to specify it on EACH message.
More information on this can be found if you take a look at the property Message.Recoverable.
As #Kjell-Åke Gafvelin already said, you may configure each message, but the IMHO more convenient way would be to set it on the Queue itself.
MessageQueue msgQ = new MessageQueue(#".\private$\Orders");
msgQ.DefaultPropertiesToSend.Recoverable = true;
msgQ.Send("This message will be marked as Recoverable");
msgQ.Close();
From the article above (highlights by me):
By default, MSMQ stores some messages in memory for increased
performance, and a message may be sent and received from a queue
without ever having been written to disk.
Aditionally, you should make the queue transactional to guarantee the correct shipment and receiving of a message.
(Edit 2020-10-27: Removed link to external Microsoft post "Reliable messaging with MSMQ and .NET" as it is not available anymore.)
Yes, MSMQ is a persistent queueing solution. It stores messages securely on backing storage that will not be affected by loss of power (unless you experience things like the disk blowing apart from a truly massive power surge of course).
Its whole point is to provide reliable queueing of messages in a potentially unreliable environment. To that end, losing messages when a particular server went down would be a considerable disadvantage.
From Microsoft's own pages (and apologies for the sales-pitch-like language):
Message Queuing applications can use the Message Queuing infrastructure to communicate across heterogeneous networks and with computers that may be offline. Message Queuing provides guaranteed message delivery, efficient routing, security, transaction support, and priority-based messaging.
We are considering using MSMQ as a message processing service in our application. What we want is - MSMQ in a farm of servers sitting behind Network Load Balancer (NLB) that distributes load among the nodes. I have the following questions for which I couldn't find any pointers online.
1) Do I need to have MSMQ installed in all nodes?
2) If so, when the sender application sends a message to MSMQ should it send to all nodes?
3) If answer to my 2nd question is yes, then when a message is received by the client application, how should the other nodes be notified about the message being received by the client and subsequently remove from them?
Would appreciate any help/pointers.
Here are some blog posts that may help:
Oil and water - MSMQ transactional messages and load balancing
Load-balancing MSMQ - a brief discussion
Q1) Do I need to have MSMQ installed in all nodes?
A1) You need MSMQ installed on every server that a message will be delivered too.
Q2) If so, when the sender application sends a message to MSMQ should it send to all nodes?
A2) That's one way to load-balance where you send X messages to X nodes but only read from 1 node, discarding the other copies.
Another method is to send to a network load balancer that sends one message to one randomly-selected node, although MSMQ is very sticky so very difficult/impossible to load balance high volumes in that way.
Q3) If answer to my 2nd question is yes, then when a message is received by the client application, how should the other nodes be notified about the message being received by the client and subsequently remove from them?
A3) That is the down-side to the type of load-balancing you're suggested. MSMQ won't remove a message unless either your application removes it or the TimeToBeReceived timer expires. basically, you will need to have co-ordinated client applications if you need to avoid duplicate message processing.
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John Breakwell
I need to work with MSMQ (Microsoft Message Queuing). What is it, what is it for, how does it work? How is it different from web services?
With all due respect to #Juan's answer, both are ways of exchanging data between two disconnected processes, i.e. interprocess communication channels (IPC). Message queues are asynchronous, while webservices are synchronous. They use different protocols and back-end services to do this so they are completely different in implementation, but similar in purpose.
You would want to use message queues when there is a possibility that the other communicating process may not be available, yet you still want to have the message sent at the time of the client's choosing. Delivery will occur the when process on the other end wakes up and receives notification of the message's arrival.
As its name states, it's just a queue manager.
You can Send objects (serialized) to the queue where they will stay until you Receive them.
It's normally used to send messages or objects between applications in a decoupled way
It has nothing to do with webservices, they are two different things
Info on MSMQ:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms711472(v=vs.85).aspx
Info on WebServices:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms972326.aspx
Transactional Queue Management 101
A transactional queue is a middleware system that asynchronously routes messages of one sort of another between hosts that may or may not be connected at any given time. This means that it must also be capable of persisting the message somewhere. Examples of such systems are MSMQ and IBM MQ
A Transactional Queue can also participate in a distributed transaction, and a rollback can trigger the disposal of messages. This means that a message is guaranteed to be delivered with at-most-once semantics or guaranteed delivery if not rolled back. The message won't be delivered if:
Host A posts the message but Host B
is not connected
Something (possibly but not
necessarily initiated from Host A)
rolls back the transaction
B connects after the transaction is
rolled back
In this case B will never be aware the message even existed unless informed through some other medium. If the transaction was rolled back, this probably doesn't matter. If B connects and collects the message before the transaction is rolled back, the rollback will also reverse the effects of the message on B.
Note that A can post the message to the queue with the guarantee of at-most-once delivery. If the transaction is committed Host A can assume that the message has been delivered by the reliable transport medium. If the transaction is rolled back, Host A can assume that any effects of the message have been reversed.
Web Services
A web service is remote procedure call or other service (e.g. RESTFul API's) published by a (typically) HTTP Server. It is a synchronous request/response protocol and has no guarantee of delivery built into the protocol. It is up to the client to validate that the service has been correctly run. Typically this will be through a reply to the request or timeout of the call.
In the latter case, web services do not guarantee at-most-once semantics. The server can complete the service and fail to deliver a response (possibly through something outside the server going wrong). The application must be able to deal with this situation.
IIRC, RESTFul services should be idempotent (the same state is achieved after any number of invocations of the same service), which is a strategy for dealing with this lack of guaranteed notification of success/failure in web service architectures. The idea is that conceptually one writes state rather than invoking a service, so one can write any number of times. This means that a lack of feedback about success can be tolerated by the application as it can re-try the posting until it gets a 'success' message from the server.
Note that you can use Windows Communication Foundation (WCF) as an abstraction layer above MSMQ. This gives you the feel of working with a service - with only one-way operations.
For more information, see:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms789048.aspx
Actually there is no relation between MSMQ and WebService.
Using MSMQ for interprocess communication (you can use also sockets, windows messaging, mapped memory).
it is a windows service that responsible for keeping messages till someone dequeue them.
you can say it is more reliable than sockets as messages are stored on a harddisk but it is slower than other IPC techniques.
You can use MSMQ in dotnet with small lines of code, Just Declare your MessageQueue object and call Receive and Send methods.
The Message itself can be normal string or binary data.
As everyone has explained MSMQ is used as a queue for messages. Messages can be wrapper for actual data, object and anything that you can serialize and send across the wire. MSMQ has it's own limitations. MSMQ 1.0 and MSMQ 2.0 had a 4MB message limit. This restriction was lifted off with MSMQ 3.0. Message oriented Middleware (MOM) is a concept that heavily depends on Messaging. Enterprise Service Bus foundation is built on Messaging. All these new technologies, depend on Messaging for asynchronous data delivery with reliability.
MSMQ stands for Microsoft Messaging Queue.
It is simply a queue that stores messages formatted so that it can pass to DB (may on same machine or on Server). There are different types of queues over there which categorizes the messages among themselves.
If there is some problem/error inside message or invalid message is passed, it automatically goes to Dead queue which denotes that it is not to be processed further. But before passing a message to dead queue it will retry until a max count and till it is not processed. Then it will be sent to the Dead queue.
It is generally used for sending log message from client machine to server or DB so that if there is any issue happens on client machine then developer or support team can go through log to solve problem.
MSMQ is also a service provided by Microsoft to Get records of Log files.
You get Better Idea from this blog http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms711472(v=vs.85).aspx.