As an amateur coder for some years I have generally used sub forms when dealing with linked tables to make the transfer of ID field from primary to sub nice and simple...
However in my latest project the main form is a continuous form with a list of delivery runs (Date, RunName, RunCompleted) etc... Linked to this primary table is a delivery list containing (SKU of product, Qty etc...). I use a simple Relationship between the two tables.
Now, On the main (RUNS) form at the end of each row is a button that opens the DELIVERIES form and displays all records with matching RUNID
This is fine for displaying pre-existing data but when I want to add new records I have been using the following code attached to the OnCurrent event:
Me.RunID = DLookup("[RunID]", "tbl_BCCRuns", "RunID = " & Forms![frm_BCC_Runs_list]![RunID])
I have also used:
Forms![frm_BCC_Deliveries].Controls![RunID] = Forms![tbl_BCCRuns].Controls![RunID]
(Note: above done from memory and exact code may be incorrect but that's not the problem at hand)
Now... Both these options give me what I need however...
I find that as I am working on the database, or if you open certain forms in the right order (a bug I need to identify and fix clearly) you can open the DELIVERIES form without the filter (to view all deliveries for arguments sake) and the top entry (usually the oldest record) suddenly adopts the RUNID of the selected record back in the main form.
Now, my question is this, and the answer may be a simple "no" and that's fine, I'll move on...
Is there a better way, a way I am not familiar with or just don't know about due to my inconsistent Access progress, to transfer ID's to a form without risking contamination from improper use? Or do I just have to bite the bullet and make sure that there is just no possible way for that to happen?
In effort to alleviate the issue, I have created a Display Only form for viewing the deliveries but there are still times when I need to access the live historical data to modify other fields without wanting to modify the RUNID.
Any pointers greatly appreciated...
Since you only want to pull the RunID if the form is on a new record row, do a check to verify this is a new record.
If Me.NewRecord Then
Me.RunID = DLookup("[RunID]", "tbl_BCCRuns", "RunID = " & Forms![frm_BCC_Runs_list]![RunID])
End If
Could also consider a technique to synchronize parent and child forms when both are subforms on a main form (the main form does not have to be bound) https://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/Forms/Synchronize/LinkedSubforms.asp
I have two NetSuite records that have a parent-child relationship. Let's call them P and C
The Child records (e.g. C123,124, etc) are listed on the Parent (P987) in a sublist.
I have a need to display the most recently updated child record (e.g. C124) in the main area of the related Parent record. I need to display 3 fields from that child record:
name
field1
field2
Second question: I might need to make one or more of fields displayed above (e.g. field1) editable. If so, would I have to store that as fields on the parent also? And then how would I keep this "copy" updated in sync with that specific Child record?
It doesn't have to be a workflow but I prefer to use "supported" features (such out of the box workflow actions) as much as possible and avoid customization by scripting. If you don't think it can be done without a script then please be clear.
P.S. Fairly new to NetSuite but not the concepts.
P.P.S. no I am not happy about the problem above and wish I could prevent all silly requests. lol
First one you can achieve with a Workflow action script.
Second question, if those are custom fields, you'd have to make them populate the info on the child record, this can be done from the same WFA script.
I'm in a situation where i need to add a default value "blank" to my "Two Options" field. Since I cannot set a default value of "null" to an already created Two Options field, I though of creating a new custom field of type "Option Set" and add the same two options Yes/No in addition to setting the Default value to Unassigned.
I need to create a workflow that copies the old values choices into the new field. I understand that I can't simple equate the values of two fields of different type but I'm going to do that with Check conditions to set the new field value corresponding to the old field value.
I'm not sure how to run this workflow against all the existing records in my CRM online with no codes. Is that possible ?
Without using code or custom tools your best options are:
Do an advanced find, select all the records in the view and run the workflow - this will run the workflow against every record. You can view up to 250 records at a time (check personal settings to change this) so this might work for you.
Export all the data to Excel, make the change in Excel in bulk. Reimport the data. This way you don't need workflow at all.
A little background:
I have 2 entities (Product and Case). The product entity will hold all product records. A section in the Case will have the ability to choose products and auto-populate all related fields that are located in the product record for that specific product. For example, Product record has fields like hazardous, range, lot ect. The same field appear on the Case record. These fields should only be populated based on the product that was selected.
I was able to accomplish the above by creating a 1:N relationship and adding it to my Case form. I then created a workflow to populate the related fields (hazardous, range, lot ect). However, these fields only populate when the record is saved. Is there a way to make it update the fields once the product is chosen?
I want to refrain form using any type of JavaScript. If possible, I would like to strictly use workflows to accomplish this (if at all possible).
Real time information in your case can be only accomplished by using JavaScript. Maps works too but they have a special behavior.
Workflows that fire when the record is created only execute after all core operations are done (Native logic, Plug-in logic...) and you can't fire workflows if the record is not created.
So using workflows is a good idea even if you can't see the information
We've got a set of forms in our web application that is managed by multiple staff members. The forms are common for all staff members. Right now, we've implemented a locking mechanism. But the issue is that there's no reliable way of knowing when a user has logged out of the system, so the form needs to be unlocked. I was wondering if there was a better way to manage concurrent users editing the same data.
You can use optimistic concurrency which is how the .Net data libraries are designed. Effectively you assume that usually no one will edit a row concurrently. When it occurs, you can either throw away the changes made, or try and create some nicer retry logic when you have two users edit the same row.
If you keep a copy of what was in the row when you started editing it and then write your update as:
Update Table set column = changedvalue
where column1 = column1prev
AND column2 = column2prev...
If this updates zero rows, then you know that the row changed during the edit and you can then deal with it, or simply throw an error and tell the user to try again.
You could also create some retry logic? Re-read the row from the database and check whether the change made by your user and the change made in the database are able to be safely combined, then do so automatically. Or you could present a choice to the user as to whether they still wish to make their change based on the values now in the database.
Do something similar to what is done in many version control systems. Allow anyone to edit the data. When the user submits the form, the database is checked for changes. If the record has not been changed prior to this submission, allow it as usual. If both changes are the same, ignore the incoming (now redundant) change.
If the second change is different from the first, the record is now in conflict. The user is presented with a new form, which indicates which fields were changed by the conflicting update. It is then the user's responsibility to resolve the conflict (by updating both sets of changes), or to allow the existing update to stand.
As Spence suggested, what you need is optimistic concurrency. A standard website that does no accounting for whether the data has changed uses what I call "last write wins". Simply put, whichever connection saves to the database last, that version of the data is the one that sticks. In optimistic concurrency, you use a "first write wins" logic such that if two connections try to save the same row at the same time, the first one that commits wins and the second is rejected.
There are two pieces to this mechanism:
The rules by which you fail the second commit
How the system or the user handles the rejected commit.
Determining whether to reject the commit
Two approaches:
Comparison column that changes each time a commit happens
Compare the data with its committed version in the database.
The first one entails using something like SQL Server's rowversion data type which is guaranteed to change each time the row changes. The upside is that it makes it simple to roll your own logic to determine if something has changed. When you get the data, you pull the rowversion column's value and when you commit, you compare that value with what is currently in the database. If they are different, the data has changed since you last retrieved it and you should reject the commit otherwise proceed to save the data.
The second one entails comparing the columns you pulled with their existing committed values in the database. As Spence suggested, if you attempt the update and no rows were updated, then clearly one of the criteria failed. This logic can get tricky when some of the values are null. Many object relational mappers and even .NET's DataTable and DataAdapter technology can help you handle this.
Handling the rejected commit
If you do not leave it up to the user, then the form would throw some message stating that the data has changed since they last edited and you would simply re-retrieve the data overwriting their changes. As you can imagine, users aren't particularly fond of this solution especially in a high volume system where it might happen frequently.
A more sophisticated (and also more complicated) approach is to show the user what has changed allow them to choose which items to try to re-commit, Behind the scenes you would retrieve the data again, overwrite the values picked by the user with their entries and try to commit again. In high volume system, this will still be problematic because by the time the user has tried to re-commit, the data may have changed yet again.
The checkout concept is effectively pessimistic concurrency where users "lock" rows. As you have discovered, it is difficult to implement in a stateless environment. Users are notorious for simply closing their browser while they have something checked out or using the Back button to return a set that was checked out and try to recommit it. IMO, it is more trouble than it is worth to try go this route in a web-based solution. Assuming you write the user name that last changed a given row, with optimistic concurrency, you can inform the user whose changes are rejected who saved the data before them.
I have seen this done two ways. The first is to have a "checked out" column in your database table associated with that data. Your service would have to look for this flag to see if it is being edited. You can have this expire after a time threshold is met (with a trigger) if the user doesn't commit changes. The second way is having a dedicated "checked out" table that stores id's and object names (probably the table name). It would work the same way and you would have less lookup time, theoretically. I see concurrency issues using the second method, however.
Why do you need to look for session timeout? Just synchronize access to your data (forms or whatever) and that's it.
UPDATE: If you mean you have "long transactions" where form is locked as soon as user opens editor (or whatever) and remains locked until user commits changes, then:
either use optimistic locking, implement it by versioning of forms data table
optimistic locking can cause loss of work, if user have been away for a long time, then tried to commit his changes and discovered that someone else already updated a form. In this case you may want to implement explicit "locking" of form, where user "locks" form as soon as he starts work on it. Other user will notice that form is "locked" and either communicate with lock owner to resolve issue, or he can "relock" form for himself, loosing all updates of first user in process.
We put in a very simple optimistic locking scheme that works like this:
every table has a last_update_date
field in it
when the form is created
the last_update_date for the record
is stored in a hidden input field
when the form is POSTED the server
checks the last_update_date in the
database against the date in the
hidden input field.
If they match,
then no one else has changed the
record since the form was created so
the system updates the data.
If they don't match, then someone else has
changed the record since the form was
created. The system sends the user back to the form edit page and tells the user that someone else edited the record and they must reapply their changes.
It is very simple and works well enough.
You can use "timestamp" column on your table. Refer: What is the mysterious 'timestamp' datatype in Sybase?
I understand that you want to avoid overwriting existing data with consecutively updates.
If so, when the user opens a screen you have to get last "timestamp" column to the client.
After changing data just before update, you should check the "timestamp" columns(yours and db) to make sure if anyone has changed tha data while he is editing.
If its changed you will alert an error and he has to startover. If it is not, update the data. Timestamp columns updated automatically.
The simplest method is to format your update statement to include the datetime when the record was last updated. For example:
UPDATE my_table SET my_column = new_val WHERE last_updated = <datetime when record was pulled from the db>
This way the update only succeeds if no one else has changed the record since the last read.
You can message to the user on conflict by checking if the update suceeded via a SELECT after the UPDATE.