I have a parallel Kubernetes job with 1 pod per work item (I set parallelism to a fixed number in the job YAML).
All I really need is an ID per pod to know which work item to do, but Kubernetes doesn't support this yet (if there's a workaround I want to know).
Therefore I need a message queue to coordinate between pods. I've successfully followed the example in the Kubernetes documentation here: https://kubernetes.io/docs/tasks/job/coarse-parallel-processing-work-queue/
However, the example there creates a rabbit-mq service. I typically deploy my tasks as a job. I don't know how the lifecycle of a job compares with the lifecycle of a service.
It seems like that example is creating a permanent message queue service. But I only need the message queue to be in existence for the lifecycle of the job.
It's not clear to me if I need to use a service, or if I should be creating the rabbit-mq container as part of my job (and if so how that works with parallelism).
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I have a UI where I can start machine learning jobs. When a job is requested, a message is added to a PubSub (kafka) and pulled by the service that will run the job.
I have a problem with this service design. I was thinking about creating the main service on Kubernetes that will pull messages from PubSub then this main service would create pods (or rather jobs) to run the actual ML work.
However, I don't know how to make the main service monitor the "worker" jobs it creates. Do I have to do it manually by persisting the ID of the job somewhere and monitoring it? Also how to deal with the "main" service potential failure?
I feel like this is a "classic" use case but I can't find much about how to solve this.
Thanks for your help
Current Setup
We have kubernetes cluster setup with 3 kubernetes pods which run spring boot application. We run a job every 12 hrs using spring boot scheduler to get some data and cache it.(there is queue setup but I will not go on those details as my query is for the setup before we get to queue)
Problem
Because we have 3 pods and scheduler is at application level , we make 3 calls for data set and each pod gets the response and pod which processes at caches it first becomes the master and other 2 pods replicate the data from that instance.
I see this as a problem because we will increase number of jobs for get more datasets , so this will multiply the number of calls made.
I am not from Devops side and have limited azure knowledge hence I need some help from community
Need
What are the options available to improve this? I want to separate out Cron schedule to run only once and not for each pod
1 - Can I keep cronjob at cluster level , i have read about it here https://kubernetes.io/docs/concepts/workloads/controllers/cron-jobs/
Will this solve a problem?
2 - I googled and found other option is to run a Cronjob which will schedule a job to completion, will that help and not sure what it really means.
Thanks in Advance to taking out time to read it.
Based on my understanding of your problem, it looks like you have following two choices (at least) -
If you continue to have scheduling logic within your springboot main app, then you may want to explore something like shedlock that helps make sure your scheduled job through app code executes only once via an external lock provider like MySQL, Redis, etc. when the app code is running on multiple nodes (or kubernetes pods in your case).
If you can separate out the scheduler specific app code into its own executable process (i.e. that code can run in separate set of pods than your main application code pods), then you can levarage kubernetes cronjob to schedule kubernetes job that internally creates pods and runs your application logic. Benefit of this approach is that you can use native kubernetes cronjob parameters like concurrency and few others to ensure the job runs only once during scheduled time through single pod.
With approach (1), you get to couple your scheduler code with your main app and run them together in same pods.
With approach (2), you'd have to separate your code (that runs in scheduler) from overall application code, containerize it into its own image, and then configure kubernetes cronjob schedule with this new image referring official guide example and kubernetes cronjob best practices (authored by me but can find other examples).
Both approaches have their own merits and de-merits, so you can evaluate them to suit your needs best.
I have a simple containerised python script which I am trying to parallelise with Kubernetes. This script guesses hashes until it finds a hashed value below a certain threshold.
I am only interested in the first such value, so I wish to create a Kubernetes job that spawns n worker pods and completes as soon as one worker pod finds a suitable value.
By default, Kubernetes jobs wait until all worker pods complete before marking the job as complete. I have so far been unable to find a way around this (no mention of this job pattern in the documentation), and have been relying on checking the logs of bare pods via a bash script to determine whether one has completed.
Is there a native means to achieve this? And, if not, what would be the best approach?
Hi look this link https://kubernetes.io/docs/concepts/workloads/controllers/jobs-run-to-completion/#parallel-jobs.
I've never tried it but it seems possible to launch several pods and configure the end of the job when x pods have finished. In your case x is 1.
We can define two specifications for parallel Jobs:
1. Parallel Jobs with a fixed completion count:
specify a non-zero positive value for .spec.completions.
the Job represents the overall task, and is complete when there is
one successful Pod for each value in the range 1 to
.spec.completions
not implemented yet: Each Pod is passed a different index in the
range 1 to .spec.completions.
2. Parallel Jobs with a work queue:
do not specify .spec.completions, default to .spec.parallelism
the Pods must coordinate amongst themselves or an external service to
determine what each should work on.
For example, a Pod might fetch a batch of up to N items from the work queue.
each Pod is independently capable of determining whether or not all its peers are done, and thus that the entire Job is done.
when any Pod from the Job terminates with success, no new Pods are
created
once at least one Pod has terminated with success and all Pods are
terminated, then the Job is completed with success
once any Pod has exited with success, no other Pod should still be
doing any work for this task or writing any output. They should all
be in the process of exiting
For a fixed completion count Job, you should set .spec.completions to the number of completions needed. You can set .spec.parallelism, or leave it unset and it will default to 1.
For a work queue Job, you must leave .spec.completions unset, and set .spec.parallelism to a non-negative integer.
For more information about how to make use of the different types of job, see the job patterns section.
You can also take a look on single job which starts controller pod:
This pattern is for a single Job to create a Pod which then creates other Pods, acting as a sort of custom controller for those Pods. This allows the most flexibility, but may be somewhat complicated to get started with and offers less integration with Kubernetes.
One example of this pattern would be a Job which starts a Pod which runs a script that in turn starts a Spark master controller (see spark example), runs a spark driver, and then cleans up.
An advantage of this approach is that the overall process gets the completion guarantee of a Job object, but complete control over what Pods are created and how work is assigned to them.
At the same time take under consideration that completition status of Job set by dafault - when specified number of successful completions is reached it ensure that all tasks are processed properly. Applying this status before all tasks are finished is not secure solution.
You should also know that finished Jobs are usually no longer needed in the system. Keeping them around in the system will put pressure on the API server. If the Jobs are managed directly by a higher level controller, such as CronJobs, the Jobs can be cleaned up by CronJobs based on the specified capacity-based cleanup policy.
Here is official documentations: jobs-parallel-processing , parallel-jobs.
Useful blog: article-parallel job.
EDIT:
Another option is that you can create special script which will continuously check values you look for. Using job then will not be necessary, you can simply use deployment.
I need to queue Kubernetes resources, basing on the Kubernetes quotas.
Sample expected scenario:
a user creates Kubernetes resource (let's say a simple X pod)
quora object resource count reached, pod X goes to the Pending state
resources are released (other pod Y removed), our X pod starts creating
For, now this scenario will not work, due to the quota behavior which returns 403 FORBIDDEN, when there are no free resources in quota:
If creating or updating a resource violates a quota constraint, the request will fail with HTTP status code 403 FORBIDDEN with a message explaining the constraint that would have been violated.
Question:
Is there a way to achieve this via native Kubernetes mechanisms?
I was trying to execute pods over Kubernetes Jobs, but each job starts independently and I'm unable to control the execution order. I would like to execute them in First In First Out method.
IMO, if k8s hasn't accepted the resource, how come it manage its lifecycle or execution order.
If I understood your question correctly, then its the same pod trying to be scheduled then, your job should be designed in such a way that order of job execution should not matter because there could be scenarios where one execution is not completed and next one comes up or previous one failed to due some error or dependent service being unavailable. So, the next execution should be able to start from where the last one left.
You can also look at the work queue pattern in case it suits your requirements as explained https://kubernetes.io/docs/tasks/job/fine-parallel-processing-work-queue/
In case you just want one job to be in execution at one time.
I think, running jobs in predefined order must be managed by external logic. We use Jenkins Pipeline for that.
I’m finally dipping my toes in the kubernetes pool and wanted to get some advice on the best way to approach a problem I have:
Tech we are using:
GCP
GKE
GCP Pub/Sub
We need to do bursts of batch processing spread out across a fleet and have decided on the following approach:
New raw data flows in
A node analyses this and breaks the data up into manageable portions which are pushed onto a queue
We have a cluster with Autoscaling On and Min Size ‘0’
A Kubernetes job spins up a pod for each new message on this cluster
When pods can’t pull anymore messages they terminate successfully
The question is:
What is the standard approach for triggering jobs such as this?
Do you create a new job each time or are jobs meant to be long lived and re-run?
I have only seen examples of using a yaml file however we would probably want the node which did the portioning of work to create the job as it knows how many parallel pods should be run. Would it be recommended to use the python sdk to create the job spec programatically? Or if jobs are long lived would you simply hit the k8 api and modify the parallel pods required then re-run job?
Jobs in Kubernetes are meant to be short-lived and are not designed to be reused. Jobs are designed for run-once, run-to-completion workloads. Typically they are be assigned a specific task, i.e. to process a single queue item.
However, if you want to process multiple items in a work queue with a single instance then it is generally advisable to instead use a Deployment to scale a pool of workers that continue to process items in the queue, scaling the number of pool workers dependent on the number of items in the queue. If there are no work items remaining then you can scale the deployment to 0 replicas, scaling back up when there is work to be done.
To create and control your workloads in Kubernetes the best-practice would be to use the Kubernetes SDK. While you can generate YAML files and shell out to another tool like kubectl using the SDK simplifies configuration and error handling, as well as allowing for simplified introspection of resources in the cluster as well.