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I am building a desktop application. Our analysis says it would be better built with a RCP. Should I use the eclipse or netbeans platform to build my application . Some of the factors to consider are
Performance
Look and Feel
Popularity among target users (developers/testers)
License (has to be some FOSS)
The application will be having things like text editor, grid views, block diagrams and graph visualizations.
I already have experience with netbeans development, but learning eclipse won't hurt. any other options would be welcome too.
I've used Eclipse to build an RCP text editors, multiple views and graph diagrams (lacking only the block diagrams you mention). The environment was pretty good as well as the support in the community for getting help (it was my first Eclipse RCP experience - nearly all my questions had been answered at one point or another in the eclipse forums. When not - I got great feedback.)
The platform was pretty lightweight and handled memory well generally speaking. Some problems that you might run into, you'll likely run into on any platform you choose.
I would look at Netbeans. Netbeans is based on Swing while Eclipse uses SWT. Sun has put a lot of effort into Netbeans over the past few years and it's quite good.
There are some tutorials on the Netbeans site for plugins and platform.
http://www.netbeans.org/kb/trails/platform.html
This of course is a bit of a religious question. You will find it debated repeatedly on the web. Here are a couple of interesting threads.
http://www.nabble.com/Choosing-Netbeans-platform-or-Eclipse-RCP-td16012394.html
http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t103146.html
My vote is for Netbeans. Many of its shortcomings have been corrected in the 5 and 6 releases. The community is smaller, but certainly just as helpful.
Another option is the Swing Application Framework (JSR-296) which provides a very lightweight framework for building Swing applications. It provides some of the basic plumbing such as an Application context to share data and basic status and worker components. It doesn't provide any complex components, so it may be too lightweight for what you need.
I suggest using Eclipse RCP, as far as I can see, it has many useful aspects like action and command mechanism, Eclipse Forms, data binding, etc. You can use GEF and Zest for graph based visualization and visual editors. Also Window builder is a convenient choice for drag and drop ui creation. Also there are many sources for learning Eclipse4 RCP, vogella.de is a good starting point. cheers...
Eclipse RCP is powerfull. I have used it for one of my projects. Yes It has some bugs but it has lots of documents and it is faster than Netbeans RCP I think.
Do you have to choose only between Eclipse and Netbeans?
I heard Spring is good
Eclipse has bugs especialy with the text editors. Netbeans on the other hand sucks RAM worse that Crysis
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I would start a J2SE projects for abuntu OS.
I try both Netbeans GUI builder and Eclipse windowbuilder.
Both of them are good, drag&drop, double-click to create event-handler like VisualStudio.
However i have do a research on Netbeans, someone said:
The second major flaw of Matisse is that it just isn't good enough,
you place the components on the grid, Matisse then creates an XML with
the component's attributes, then generates the java code for the
components on the grid. Seems cool, but then you decide you want to
add a button somewhere in the form or resize a component - this
procedure can cause all of the gui to get mixed up throwing the
adjacent components to different places - fixing it can be a pain in
the neck. Even if you managed to place all of the components where
they should be but manually changed some of the generated netbeans
code - you are in a BIG problem, a problem you might not manage to get
out of unless starting all over.
Is that bug still exist on latest netbeans?
What is Pros. and Cons. between Netbeans GUI builder and Eclipse Windowbuilder?
Im using NetBeans since 6.x and never had such problems. Resizing components, adding some new, even working on the generated code etc. is realy easy and had no problem so far. Moreover NB has a visual debugger and an improved GridBagLayout customizer (both since 7.1).
Didn't use Eclipse Windowbuilder so far, but i guess its capable too. Everyone has it's own criteria for a gui builder. Btw. the author of this article seem very eclipse-focused ("on the best IDE out there - eclipse")
I'm sorry i cant give you an answer like "pro / cons of A, pro / cons of B" - as i said i've never used Eclipse Windowbuilder before. And for me there's no need to do so, i can build a gui with netbeans without problems / very easy / fast (even better than with Visual Studio). For my point of view everything works like i want it :-)
If you used both, maybe there are things you prefer or dislike on one IDE, but the other can do better.
Personally, while WindowBuilder is a pretty powerful tool to use within Eclipse, I find it more clunky (and quite honestly, prefer to write Swing GUIs by hand if this were the only optin)
Matisse is a far better option because of the Grid editors like someone mentioned previously, also I prefer the way Matisse handles event handlers over WindowBuilder. Another thing Matisse does well is that it encorporates more properties into GUI element settings where WindowBuilder goes over a very small list of changeable features (leaving you to dive through a mess of auto-generated code to change a simple property).
Eclipse does have a version of matisse available, though the plugin is not for free (look up myeclipse).
I used both Eclipse and Netbeans,
Eclipse -WindowBuilder is a powerful tool, easy to modifying it. But causes more code problems. Long time after you will get Spagetti-Codes to get solve problem.When it get problem you cant open Desing layer.
Netbeans generates codes much easy, and you can change it but more harder, sometimes you can't. But i dont get any (only a few, my mistakes) any code problems...or etc., if you get a problem about a component; you can too easy to get Default Settings any time.
Note: THAT IS ONLY MY IDEA!
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What UI mockup tools exist that could be used to produce designs that look like Eclipse UI? Perhaps there is an Eclipse project available for this? (http://www.eclipse.org/projects/listofprojects.php doesn't make it easy to browse through all the projects and learn about them.) I would consider tools for any platform.
They are wireframe sketches rather than Eclipse-UI like mockups, but I find http://wireframesketcher.com/ or http://marketplace.eclipse.org/content/wireframesketcher very useful.
It's quick and easy to use, see the feature list here:
http://wireframesketcher.com/features.html
One thing they don't seem to mention there is their SWT Spy plugin which "allows you to convert your existing SWT UI into a wireframe that you can edit and revise afterwards" (their words from the help content of the wireframe sketcher feature).
They have a 14 day trial.
I ended up buying SwordSoft Layout in the Mac OS X App Store. It's inexpensive ($6.99) and easy to use. While it doesn't have Eclipse-specific templates, it wasn't hard to create mockups that looked close enough to what I'm proposing.
We use balsamiq Balsamiq site. You can use their web version for free. Web version
However, the web version doesn't save. So you need to manually store the xml. Use export as xml and copy paste to a local file and use again import as xml to restart.
You can take a look at ForeUI, which can help creating UI mockup with various styles (Handdrawn, Wireframe, Windows xp, Mac OS X and Windows 7), and allows you to define behavior of your mockup then run HTML5 simulation in web browser.
For reference, Eclipse has a project
http://eclipse.org/windowbuilder/
that actually can be used for constructing plugin mockups and to start off the plugin project through generating much of the UI stuff. Since it is an Eclipse project using all Eclipse artefacts as they show in Eclipse, there's probably no better tool at the moment.
You can use MockupUI. It is a desktop user interface mockup software. Not using Eclipse, but it lets you draw high fidelity UI screens with a native Windows 7,8 or 10 look and feel.
I'm looking for the most popupular eclipse plugins for rapid windowed application development.
Could you suggest the most widely used ones?
I think this question can help for a lot of people.
You can use Window Builder tool for Eclipse which recently became free.
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I want to know which one is stable, fast and easy to use?
I installed the Aptana Studio Eclipse plugin this year when I was playing with Rails for fun. Eclipse was never the same again. Suddenly it took two or three times as long to load any Java or Haskell project, Eclipse started crashing intermittently and it completely messed up my layout. It wouldn't let me uninstall it and "manually" uninstalling it seemed to make it worse!
Rails was fun to play with but I had to learn to live with the Aptana plugin. I eventually got rid of it by totally deleting Eclipse and starting over. It wouldn't have been so bad if it didn't seem to take over Eclipse in a Cthulu-like way. I really liked the integration with Rails which was done well, and it seemed to be have a lot of features that would be useful on larger systems.
Aptana is built on eclipse.
Aptana can also be installed as an eclipse plugin if you already have a well set-up eclipse environment.
If you mean "which is better PDT, or aptana?" I'd have to go with Aptana. If only because it also does lots of other things well. The PHP support isn't significantly different from PDT to make it worth the added weight Aptana brings with it. However, you're probably also looking for a good css editor, Javascript editor, etc, and Aptana does those well.
I use Eclipse for all my work, have done for years. Perfectly happy with it.
Must admit I've not done any detailed comparisons with other IDEs. I fear that getting objective comparisons between IDEs may be quite tricky. I think that the vi v emacs wars still rumble on on some areas.
Another Happy Eclipse User here.
My personal opinion. I use it for mainly Java and PHP.
If you write PHP codes in Aptana i do not suggest it. Because Aptana 2.0 does not provide PHP plug in. It installs Eclipse as a plug in. So install Eclipse (actually PDT) and use it for PHP development will be better choice.
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I have a coworker who is looking to switch from InteilliJ Idea to Eclipse, and is concerned about not knowing the Eclipse set of commands.
I was wondering - would anyone have a link to keyboard mappings that can set Eclipse commands to at least sort of match Idea?
Have you made this switch? Any "gotchas", tips, or info we should be aware of?
Thanks!
I went through the experience myself - and result was a series of articles on my blog:
http://virgo47.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/eclipse-vs-intellij-idea/
http://virgo47.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/from-intellij-idea-to-eclipse-2/
http://virgo47.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/from-intellij-idea-to-eclipse-3/
http://virgo47.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/why-to-synchronize-with-svn-in-eclipse/
http://virgo47.wordpress.com/2011/04/10/from-intellij-idea-to-eclipse-4/
http://virgo47.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/from-intellij-idea-to-eclipse-5/
They are all biased towards Idea (obviously) but full of relevant Idea-Eclipse comparisons, keyboard shortcuts, little stories and observations. In generall, they are both very good IDEs, but if IDEA is 100%, Eclipse is 90%, maybe even 95% - with biggest these differences:
different mindset is needed, Projects, Modules, Workspace may mean different things or are not used at all in one or the other IDE, you have/need Perspectives in Eclipse, not in IDEA, etc...
quality of default Maven/SVN support is better in IDEA (it is also built-in), much smoother and less problems + 3way diff in IDEA is just great, generally Eclipse guys are so scared of merging - and now I understand why
IDEA is far more polished, less graphics glitches and much better default colours for highlighting, etc.
free version of IDEA does NOT have so many things as you can have with Eclipse with all possible free plugins - Eclipse plugin ecosystem is just so big!
IDEA is just way smarter in margin cases when it comes to completion, refactorings, and these other little things where IDEA was the top of the class the whole time since 2000
I was lucky I didn't have to convert in the end because we use Maven projects that work just fine in both IDEs. However I still use Eclipse for other projects (xtext).
Get the plugin from here. It seems easier to install than the one in Bartosz' answer, plus no 404s...
For the lazy: direct link to plugin
Drop the plugin jar in eclipse/plugins folder and restart eclipse. Now in preferences dialog under General > Keys you can find "Intellij Idea" key scheme.
If he definitely want to do this:
http://www.jroller.com/ervines/resource/eclipse-intellij-key-bindings.java
In answer to Bartosz, flash builder is a good reason, until jetbrains comes out with a visual mxml editor.
the direct link posted above is outdated, releases are here: http://code.google.com/p/ideakeyscheme/updates/list
Update: Found this one too: http://www.bharathganesh.com/idea-prefs.php , although it's pretty light on the description.
I could list a bunch of tips, gotchas, etc. because I've made the switch several times. I've tried to make the switch to Eclipse several times but couldn't do it and went back to IntelliJ.
First tip:
Intellj "project" -> Eclipse "workspace"
Intellij "module" -> Eclipse "project"
Second tip:
Eclipse has the concept of "Perspectives" which means it reshuffles around your UI when you're doing different things, like for debugging there's the debug perspective. I don't quite get this, I personally prefer the concept of windows, or the tool windows that dock to the bottom or sides.