I am using Darwin Streaming Server (DSS) to generate rtp streams.
The DSS interface configured on the server, however shows some Packet Loss which, to a certain extent, is also visible on the client side while playing the video stream.
I would like to know whether this loss signifies the packets lost while traveling over the network. More so, what could be the reasons for packet loss in my Live stream ?
For calculating packet loss RTCP is used in form of SR and RR. It works on sequence number field present on each RTP packet.
Yes loss signifies the packet lost over the network.
There can be many reasons for packet loss: due to bandwidth, connectivity, distance between client and server, network congestion... or client application itself.
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When UDP (RTP/AVP) transport is used, the packet loss is inevitable due to the nature of UDP.
However, DSS also supports TCP transport and Reliable UDP transport, which could solve the packet loss problem, in the circumstances that the bandwidth from server to client is enough.
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I am trying to run a simulation to test packet loss in an environment where packet collision is happening. My current setup includes several discrete machines each with their own network interface to send/receive packets. These machines are connected by wifi through an AP. I'm currently using UDP for its ability to broadcast packets on a single address. All machines are listening on a shared IP address, something like 192.168.1.255.
This answer mentions that UDP packets are unreliable, but will they fail because of a collision? Here, I use collision to refer to interference caused by multiple simultaneous transmission. That is, will the simultaneous broadcast of two UDP nodes in the network induce the unreliability I am looking to test? If it's not, will I have to look into changing my network configuration or even start tinkering with kernel code?
If the question is vague, I will say that my end goal involves writing some distributed algorithm that may or may not be resistant to collisions.
I am trying to run a simulation to test packet loss in an environment
where packet collision is happening.
You might want to include in your question what you mean by the word collision. I'm going to assume in my answer that you mean it in the traditional sense (i.e. two network endpoints transmitting at approximately the same time and thereby "talking over each other" and garbling each other's transmissions such that neither transmission is successful), and not in any broader sense of "a packet got dropped due to network congestion".
This answer mentions that UDP packets are unreliable, but will they
fail because of a collision?
The answer is going to depend entirely on what sort of network hardware you are running your UDP packets over. The UDP protocol itself is hardware-independent, so it's not going to specify anything about whether collisions can occur or not, since there's no way for it to know.
That said, most low-level networking hardware these days has provisions for avoiding collisions (in the sense I mentioned above) -- for example, modern Ethernet switches do a limited amount of active queueing/buffering of packets when necessary (which is much more efficient and reliable than the old 10Mb/sec Ethernet hubs, which basically just electrically connected the Ethernet RX and TX leads of all the endpoints into one big "shared wire", and hoped for the best)
The other commonly used networking-hardware type, Wi-Fi, also has mechanisms to reduce collisions, but that doesn't mean that UDP broadcast over Wi-Fi is a good idea, because it suffers from other issues -- for one thing, the Wi-Fi router has to receive your broadcast packet and rebroadcast it to make sure all other clients can receive it, and worse, it will typically be set to retransmit it at a very slow "legacy" rate, in order to make sure that any ancient Wi-Fi cards out there can still receive the broadcast data. My advice is that if you're going to be using Wi-Fi, keep your broadcast (and multicast) transmissions to an absolute minimum; even sending separate/identical unicast packets to every other client is usually more efficient(!) -- not to avoid collisions, but rather because even a modest amount of broadcast/multicast traffic can bring your Wi-Fi network to a crawl.
UDP is said to be unreliable because it does not guarantee packet delivery, retransmission, flow control, or congestion. So, the sending/receiving of UDP packets can fail for many reasons: collision, unreliable physical medium, interference, dropping of packets due to router queue overflow, etc.
I have some (very) old software written in C, that was used for two devices that communicate via serial cable (RS232) - both sending and receiving messages.
Now the old devices are to be replaced by new modern ones that do not have serial ports, but only Ethernet.
Hence, the request now is to convert the old serial communication to UDP communication (C++ is the choice for the moment).
So, I have some questions about this "conversion":
1) Suppose there are two peers A and B. Should I implement a server and a client for each peer, i.e.: serverA+clientA (for device A) and serverB+clientB (for device B)? Or is there some other/different approach?...
2) The old serial communication had some CRC, probably to ensure some reliability. Is it CRC necessary to be implemented (in my custom messages) also on UDP communication or not?
Thanks in advance for your time and patience.
1) UDP is a connectionless protocol so there's no rigid client and server roles here. You simply have some code that handles receiving and some code that facilitates sending.
2) You don't need CRC for UDP. First, there's a FCS (CRC32) in each Ethernet frame. Then, there's a header checksum in IP packets. After all, checksum is already included in UPD datagram!
Please also consider the following things:
In everyday life COM ports are long gone from the physical world, but they're still with us in the virtual form (even Android phones have COM ports). There are a lot of solutions for doing COM over USB/TCP/whatever. Some of them are PC apps, some of them are implemented in hardware (see Arduino's COM over USB),
When an UDP datagram fails checksum test, it is dropped (usually) silently. So in UDP you don't have built-in capabilities to distinguish between "nothing was received" and "we received something but that's not a valid thing". Check UDP-Lite if you want to handle these situations on the application level (it should simplify the porting process I believe).
Default choice for transferring data is TCP, because it provides reliable delivery. UDP is recommended for users that care about being realtime and for those who can tolerate some data loss. Or for those who care about the resources.
Choose TCP if you are going to send large amount of data or be ready to handle packet congestion on ports. Choose TCP if you plan to go wireless in future or be ready to handle periodical significant loss of packets.
If your devices are really tiny or filled with other stuff, it is possible to operate directly on Level 2 (Ethernet).
I'm about to re-architect a real-time system that has been prototyped on a single node and specify how it should be scaled up to multiple nodes (probably never more than 20 of them in any one LAN). Some of the functionality will multiply on a per-node basis, and some of it will remain centralised on a one-per-system basis. There is going to be a need for communication between each node and that central unit (possibly a master node), but not between individual nodes.
Due to the real-time demands of the system, UDP is something that should be considered for that communication. But... it is almost always described as unreliable. Is this always the case? Does it not depend on the scale of the network, the data load on the network and the way the protocol is used?
For example, suppose I have a central unit which regularly polls through each node by addressing a UDP message to it, and each node immediately responds with its data via UDP. There is no other communication on the (isolated) network. Suppose there is also some mechanism to ensure there are never any collisions (e.g. all nodes have a maximum transmission length for their responses to a poll message, and the latencies are nailed down to known levels). Is there any (hidden) reason in a simple and structured network like this that you would ever fail to transmit/receive every last UDP packet and have near 100% reliability?
EDIT: the detail of this question suffers from confusion around what "unreliable" means, and whether it is intended to apply only to UDP, or to the system in which UDP is employed. I have chosen to leave this confusion in the question, because looking back over a lot of material on UDP, I can see that this confusion might be very common, and that answers which highlight that confusion and overcome it might be valuable.
The key is, UDP does not make any guarantees. There are many reasons why datagrams might go undelivered:
Sender host buffers fill up
Cosmic rays flip bits somewhere along the way, causing a checksum mismatch and the datagram to be discarded
Electromagnetic interference corrupts the signal momentarily
A network cable gets unplugged for a moment
A hub or switch loses power for a moment
A switch's buffers fill up
Receiving host buffers fill up
If any of these things (or many others) occurs, a datagram may go undelivered. UDP will make no attempt to detect this or to re-deliver it.
Yes. Every layer is potentially unreliable, starting with the electrical signalling across your Ethernet cable. (Ever jostled one of those plugs? You can see it in Wireshark logs.) Collisions are virtually impossible to avoid. And in case of congestion, your protocol stack may decide to drop UDP packets.
But all that's rather beside the point. UDP is unreliable, but that doesn't mean it can't be relied on. Plenty of mission-critical applications run over UDP. You just need to understand the unreliability and account for it.
Unreliable does not mean it will definitely fail. It only means that it does not care about transport problems and thus will not make any guarantees that transmission will be successful. Let's compare some aspects of UDP against TCP.
UDP is packet based, TCP stream based. This has not much to do with reliability.
Packets may arrive in a different order than they were sent. UDP does not care and will deliver the packets in this order to the application. In TCP data have a sequence number so the receivers operating system will detect reordering and forward the data to the application in the correct order. This usually does not matter when you have a direct connection between client and server, but might happen in wide networks like the internet.
Packets may get lost due to router or switch congestion or overload of the senders or receiving system or others. This might also happen in local networks with heavy traffic or if the receiver system is unable to cope with the amount of data, even for a short time. With UDP the data will be lost. TCP instead will detect lost packets and retransmit them and even slow down the traffic to adapt to what speed network and endpoints can handle and thus loose less packets in the future.
Packets might get duplicated. Again TCP will detect this due to the sequence number but UDP will not and thus transmit the duplicate packet to the application.
Packets might get corrupted. Both TCP and UDP have the same kind of checksum to detect small errors, but will not detect larger errors.
Applications using UDP usually does not need the reliability of TCP or don't need all of this. For instance with real time audio and video packet loss is acceptable but duplicates and reordering is not. Thus the RTP protocol contains its own sequence number (timestamp) to detect this case. Also, RTP is often accompanied by the RTCP protocol to send statistics about packet loss back to the peer and thus make adaption of connection speed possible.
If you want reliable UDP, try looking at ENet library.
http://enet.bespin.org/
Unreliability with regard to UDP is different from unreliability in general. Also, UDP and alternatives to it (e.g. TCP) are always only ever components or single layers in a wider system. This can lead to some confusion about what "unreliable" means.
UDP is a transport layer network protocol. The transport layer is responsible for getting data from one point on the network to another specific point on the network. In that context, UDP is described as an "unreliable" protocol because it makes no guarantees about whether the data sent will actually arrive. In contrast, TCP is a "reliable" transport layer protocol because if data goes missing or is corrupted the first time it is sent, the protocol itself has mechanisms to resend the data and ensure it arrives... eventually.
But UDP is not some sloppy "maybe, maybe not - let me think about it and screw you around" protocol. It does what it is specified to do, and is reliable (general sense) at doing it... as well as reliable (general sense) in failing in predictable ways. If you take these failure modes into account elsewhere, UDP can be a component of an overall very reliable system.
For example, by restricting network topology and using UDP to transport higher level protocols, the GigE Vision standard specifies a highly reliable system with high data transfer rates and real-time response whose transport level communications is dominated by UDP traffic.
Historically, the major source of unreliable packet transport was packet collisions due to two sources attempting to transmit simultaneously on a single channel. In modern networks, each node is typically connected on a full duplex link to a network switch, making collisions impossible on that link, and consequently making modern networks much more reliable (in all senses) than was the case when UDP was first designed.
No networking technology currently available can be made 100% reliable... but let's be practical rather than pedantic, because potential unreliability and actual unreliability are a lot like shark attacks - they tend to occur far more in people's minds than in reality.
Some material on UDP makes it sound almost like the people who designed UDP did it just to annoy people - that unreliability was deliberately engineered in. This is not the case, and it is unhelpful to think of it in these terms. It is far better to focus on what UDP does and does not do in comparison to alternatives (e.g. see this comparison between TCP and UDP... which nonetheless lists "unreliability" as a key feature of UDP).
In reality, when there is data to be transmitted, that can be transmitted, it is transmitted; when there is data that can be received, it is received. Likewise, if you transmit packets 1, 2 then 3 directly to an endpoint, they will almost certainly be received as packets 1, 2 and 3 in order (assuming no failures in lower network layers, and that incoming data is buffered in a FIFO as is customary, but not mandatory). You can get a lot of reliability out of this, depending on how you use it.
However, if you transmit packets via multiple routes, all bets are off - "unreliability" of packet order can occur. And if you flood the available buffers, unreliability via dropping packets will occur. And if you allow nodes to transmit at any time (asynchronous), then you will get unreliability through packet collisions. But in the "simple and structured" (and also small and synchronous) LAN described, you may be able to either avoid this, or detect its occurrence (e.g. by sending an incrementing counter value in each packet), which will let you compensate in an application-specific way.
In cases where the power goes off (perhaps momentarily), or cosmic rays strike, or people trip on loose cables causing an unacceptable level of "unreliability"... then don't blame UDP - blame the engineer(s) whose design left the system susceptible to these things.
All things considered, in the LAN described, you might reasonably expect to be able to engineer a system based on UDP so as to never lose more than one packet in every few million, or billion, or even astronomically better than this - but it will depend on specifics, and only you can know if your application can tolerate the quantity and quality of unreliable comms that results in your case.
I am capturing network packets of Gtalk using Microsoft Network Monitor. Very often I see small sessions of communication where a packet with TCP payload of 37 is sent by me to dst port 5222 and I receive an ACK for it. I can't see the contents of this packet because it is encrypted using TLS. Gtalk uses XMPP protocol. Any experts know what does this small session represent? Is it part of protocol specifications? Is there any way I can see the contents of this packet?
Is this being sent periodically, like every 30s, 1m, etc? If so, it's likely one space character, after it's been (potentially compressed then) encrypted. Many XMPP endpoints will do this to keep the socket open in the face of the large number of odd middleboxes that assume that if you haven't sent data in a while, the socket is dead.
I'm implementing a remote application. The server will process & render data in real time as animation. (a series of images, to be precise) Each time, an image is rendered, it will be transferred to the receiving iPhone client via UDP.
I have studied some UDP and I am aware of the following:
UDP has max size of about 65k.
However, it seems that iPhone can only receive 41k UDP packet. iPhone seems to not be able to receive packet larger than that.
When sending multiple packets, many packets are being dropped. This is due to oversizing UDP processing.
Reducing packet size increase the amount of packets not being dropped, but this means more packets are required to be sent.
I never write real practical UDP applications before, so I need some guidance for efficient UDP communication. In this case, we are talking about transferring rendered images in real time from the server to be displayed on iPhone.
Compressing data seems mandatory, but in this question, I would like to focus on the UDP part. Normally, when we implement UDP applications, what can we do in terms of best practice for efficient UDP programming if we need to send a lot of data non-stop in real time?
Assuming that you have a very specific and good reason for using UDP and that you need all your data to arrive ( i.e. you can't tolerate any lost data ) then there are a few things you need to do ( this assumes a uni-cast application ):
Add a sequence number to the header for each packet
Ack each packet
Set up a retransmit timer which resends the packet if no ack recv'ed
Track latency RTT ( round trip time ) so you know how long to set your timers for
Potentially deal with out of order data arrival if that's important to your app
Increase receive buffer size on client socket.
Also, you could be sending so fast that you are dropping packets internally on the sending machine without them even getting out the NIC onto the wire. On certain systems calling select for write-ablity on the sending socket can help with this. Also, calling connect on the UDP socket can speed up performance leading to less dropped packets.
Basically, if you need guaranteed in-order delivery of your data than you are going to re-implement TCP on top of UDP. If the only reason you use UDP is latency, then you can probably use TCP and disable the Nagle Algorithm. If you want packetized data with reliable low latency delivery another possibility is SCTP, also with Nagle disabled. It can also provide out-of-order delivery to speed things up even more.
I would recommend Steven's "Unix Network Programming" which has a section on advanced UDP and when it's appropriate to use UDP instead of TCP. As a note, he recommends against using UDP for bulk data transfer, although the reality is that this is becoming much more common these days for streaming multimedia apps.
Small packets is probably better than large packets :-)