The scenario is publisher/subscriber, and I am looking for a solution which can give the feasibility of sending one message generated by ONE producer across MULTIPLE consumers in real-time. the light weight this scenario can be handled by one solution, the better!
In case of AMQP servers I've only checked out Rabbitmq and using rabbitmq server for pub/sub pattern each consumer should declare an anonymous, private queue and bind it to an fanout exchange, so in case of thousand users consuming one message in real-time there will be thousands or so anonymous queue handling by rabbitmq.
But I really do not like the approach by the rabbitmq, It would be ideal if rabbitmq could handle this pub/sub scenario with one queue, one message , many consumers listening on one queue!
what I want to ask is which AMQP server or other type of solutions (anyone similar including XMPP servers or Apache Kafka or ...) handles the pub/sub pattern/scenario better and much more efficient than RabbitMQ with consuming (of course) less server resource?
preferences in order of interest:
in case of AMQP enabled server handling the pub/sub scenario with only ONE or LESS number of queues (as explained)
handling thousands of consumers in a light-weight manner, consuming less server resource comparing to other solutions in pub/sub pattern
clustering, tolerating failing of nodes
Many Language Bindings ( Python and Java at least)
easy to use and administer
I know my question may be VERY general but I like to hear the ideas and suggestions for the pub/sub case.
thanks.
In general, for RabbitMQ, if you put the user in the routing key, you should be able to use a single exchange and then a small number of queues (even a single one if you wanted, but you could divide them up by server or similar if that makes sense given your setup).
If you don't need guaranteed order (as one would for, say, guaranteeing that FK constraints wouldn't get hit for a sequence of changes to various SQL database tables), then there's no reason you can't have a bunch of consumers drawing from a single queue.
If you want a broadcast-message type of scenario, then that could perhaps be handled a bit differently. Instead of the single user in the routing key, which you could use for non-broadcast-type messages, have a special user type, say, __broadcast__, that no user could actually have, and have the users to broadcast to stored in the payload of the message along with the message itself.
Your message processing code could then take care of depositing that message in the database (or whatever the end destination is) across all of those users.
Edit in response to comment from OP:
So the routing key might look something like this message.[user] where [user] could be the actual user if it were a point-to-point message, and a special __broadcast__ user (or similar user name that an actual user would not be allowed to register) which would indicate a broadcast style message.
You could then place the users to which the message should be delivered in the payload of the message, and then that message content (which would also be in the payload) could be delivered to each user. The mechanism for doing that would depend on what your end destination is. i.e. do the messages end up getting stored in Postgres, or Mongo DB or similar?
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We have a micro-services architecture, with Kafka used as the communication mechanism between the services. Some of the services have their own databases. Say the user makes a call to Service A, which should result in a record (or set of records) being created in that service’s database. Additionally, this event should be reported to other services, as an item on a Kafka topic. What is the best way of ensuring that the database record(s) are only written if the Kafka topic is successfully updated (essentially creating a distributed transaction around the database update and the Kafka update)?
We are thinking of using spring-kafka (in a Spring Boot WebFlux service), and I can see that it has a KafkaTransactionManager, but from what I understand this is more about Kafka transactions themselves (ensuring consistency across the Kafka producers and consumers), rather than synchronising transactions across two systems (see here: “Kafka doesn't support XA and you have to deal with the possibility that the DB tx might commit while the Kafka tx rolls back.”). Additionally, I think this class relies on Spring’s transaction framework which, at least as far as I currently understand, is thread-bound, and won’t work if using a reactive approach (e.g. WebFlux) where different parts of an operation may execute on different threads. (We are using reactive-pg-client, so are manually handling transactions, rather than using Spring’s framework.)
Some options I can think of:
Don’t write the data to the database: only write it to Kafka. Then use a consumer (in Service A) to update the database. This seems like it might not be the most efficient, and will have problems in that the service which the user called cannot immediately see the database changes it should have just created.
Don’t write directly to Kafka: write to the database only, and use something like Debezium to report the change to Kafka. The problem here is that the changes are based on individual database records, whereas the business significant event to store in Kafka might involve a combination of data from multiple tables.
Write to the database first (if that fails, do nothing and just throw the exception). Then, when writing to Kafka, assume that the write might fail. Use the built-in auto-retry functionality to get it to keep trying for a while. If that eventually completely fails, try to write to a dead letter queue and create some sort of manual mechanism for admins to sort it out. And if writing to the DLQ fails (i.e. Kafka is completely down), just log it some other way (e.g. to the database), and again create some sort of manual mechanism for admins to sort it out.
Anyone got any thoughts or advice on the above, or able to correct any mistakes in my assumptions above?
Thanks in advance!
I'd suggest to use a slightly altered variant of approach 2.
Write into your database only, but in addition to the actual table writes, also write "events" into a special table within that same database; these event records would contain the aggregations you need. In the easiest way, you'd simply insert another entity e.g. mapped by JPA, which contains a JSON property with the aggregate payload. Of course this could be automated by some means of transaction listener / framework component.
Then use Debezium to capture the changes just from that table and stream them into Kafka. That way you have both: eventually consistent state in Kafka (the events in Kafka may trail behind or you might see a few events a second time after a restart, but eventually they'll reflect the database state) without the need for distributed transactions, and the business level event semantics you're after.
(Disclaimer: I'm the lead of Debezium; funnily enough I'm just in the process of writing a blog post discussing this approach in more detail)
Here are the posts
https://debezium.io/blog/2018/09/20/materializing-aggregate-views-with-hibernate-and-debezium/
https://debezium.io/blog/2019/02/19/reliable-microservices-data-exchange-with-the-outbox-pattern/
first of all, I have to say that I’m no Kafka, nor a Spring expert but I think that it’s more a conceptual challenge when writing to independent resources and the solution should be adaptable to your technology stack. Furthermore, I should say that this solution tries to solve the problem without an external component like Debezium, because in my opinion each additional component brings challenges in testing, maintaining and running an application which is often underestimated when choosing such an option. Also not every database can be used as a Debezium-source.
To make sure that we are talking about the same goals, let’s clarify the situation in an simplified airline example, where customers can buy tickets. After a successful order the customer will receive a message (mail, push-notification, …) that is sent by an external messaging system (the system we have to talk with).
In a traditional JMS world with an XA transaction between our database (where we store orders) and the JMS provider it would look like the following: The client sets the order to our app where we start a transaction. The app stores the order in its database. Then the message is sent to JMS and you can commit the transaction. Both operations participate at the transaction even when they’re talking to their own resources. As the XA transaction guarantees ACID we’re fine.
Let’s bring Kafka (or any other resource that is not able to participate at the XA transaction) in the game. As there is no coordinator that syncs both transactions anymore the main idea of the following is to split processing in two parts with a persistent state.
When you store the order in your database you can also store the message (with aggregated data) in the same database (e.g. as JSON in a CLOB-column) that you want to send to Kafka afterwards. Same resource – ACID guaranteed, everything fine so far. Now you need a mechanism that polls your “KafkaTasks”-Table for new tasks that should be send to a Kafka-Topic (e.g. with a timer service, maybe #Scheduled annotation can be used in Spring). After the message has been successfully sent to Kafka you can delete the task entry. This ensures that the message to Kafka is only sent when the order is also successfully stored in application database. Did we achieve the same guarantees as we have when using a XA transaction? Unfortunately, no, as there is still the chance that writing to Kafka works but the deletion of the task fails. In this case the retry-mechanism (you would need one as mentioned in your question) would reprocess the task an sends the message twice. If your business case is happy with this “at-least-once”-guarantee you’re done here with a imho semi-complex solution that could be easily implemented as framework functionality so not everyone has to bother with the details.
If you need “exactly-once” then you cannot store your state in the application database (in this case “deletion of a task” is the “state”) but instead you must store it in Kafka (assuming that you have ACID guarantees between two Kafka topics). An example: Let’s say you have 100 tasks in the table (IDs 1 to 100) and the task job processes the first 10. You write your Kafka messages to their topic and another message with the ID 10 to “your topic”. All in the same Kafka-transaction. In the next cycle you consume your topic (value is 10) and take this value to get the next 10 tasks (and delete the already processed tasks).
If there are easier (in-application) solutions with the same guarantees I’m looking forward to hear from you!
Sorry for the long answer but I hope it helps.
All the approach described above are the best way to approach the problem and are well defined pattern. You can explore these in the links provided below.
Pattern: Transactional outbox
Publish an event or message as part of a database transaction by saving it in an OUTBOX in the database.
http://microservices.io/patterns/data/transactional-outbox.html
Pattern: Polling publisher
Publish messages by polling the outbox in the database.
http://microservices.io/patterns/data/polling-publisher.html
Pattern: Transaction log tailing
Publish changes made to the database by tailing the transaction log.
http://microservices.io/patterns/data/transaction-log-tailing.html
Debezium is a valid answer but (as I've experienced) it can require some extra overhead of running an extra pod and making sure that pod doesn't fall over. This could just be me griping about a few back to back instances where pods OOM errored and didn't come back up, networking rule rollouts dropped some messages, WAL access to an aws aurora db started behaving oddly... It seems that everything that could have gone wrong, did. Not saying Debezium is bad, it's fantastically stable, but often for devs running it becomes a networking skill rather than a coding skill.
As a KISS solution using normal coding solutions that will work 99.99% of the time (and inform you of the .01%) would be:
Start Transaction
Sync save to DB
-> If fail, then bail out.
Async send message to kafka.
Block until the topic reports that it has received the
message.
-> if it times out or fails Abort Transaction.
-> if it succeeds Commit Transaction.
I'd suggest to use a new approach 2-phase message. In this new approach, much less codes are needed, and you don't need Debeziums any more.
https://betterprogramming.pub/an-alternative-to-outbox-pattern-7564562843ae
For this new approach, what you need to do is:
When writing your database, write an event record to an auxiliary table.
Submit a 2-phase message to DTM
Write a service to query whether an event is saved in the auxiliary table.
With the help of DTM SDK, you can accomplish the above 3 steps with 8 lines in Go, much less codes than other solutions.
msg := dtmcli.NewMsg(DtmServer, gid).
Add(busi.Busi+"/TransIn", &TransReq{Amount: 30})
err := msg.DoAndSubmitDB(busi.Busi+"/QueryPrepared", db, func(tx *sql.Tx) error {
return AdjustBalance(tx, busi.TransOutUID, -req.Amount)
})
app.GET(BusiAPI+"/QueryPrepared", dtmutil.WrapHandler2(func(c *gin.Context) interface{} {
return MustBarrierFromGin(c).QueryPrepared(db)
}))
Each of your origin options has its disadvantage:
The user cannot immediately see the database changes it have just created.
Debezium will capture the log of the database, which may be much larger than the events you wanted. Also deployment and maintenance of Debezium is not an easy job.
"built-in auto-retry functionality" is not cheap, it may require much codes or maintenance efforts.
I am using Kafka for Event Sourcing and I am interested in implementing sagas using Kafka.
Any best practices on how to do this? The Commander pattern mentioned here seems close to the architecture I am trying to build but sagas are not mentioned anywhere in the presentation.
This talk from this year's DDD eXchange is the best resource I came across wrt Process Manager/Saga pattern in event-driven/CQRS systems:
https://skillsmatter.com/skillscasts/9853-long-running-processes-in-ddd
(requires registering for a free account to view)
The demo shown there lives on github: https://github.com/flowing/flowing-retail
I've given it a spin and I quite like it. I do recommend watching the video first to set the stage.
Although the approach shown is message-bus agnostic, the demo uses Kafka for the Process Manager to send commands to and listen to events from other bounded contexts. It does not use Kafka Streams but I don't see why it couldn't be plugged into a Kafka Streams topology and become part of the broader architecture like the one depicted in the Commander presentation you referenced.
I hope to investigate this further for our own needs, so please feel free to start a thread on the Kafka users mailing list, that's a good place to collaborate on such patterns.
Hope that helps :-)
I would like to add something here about sagas and Kafka.
In general
In general Kafka is a tad different than a normal queue. It's especially good in scaling. And this actually can cause some complications.
One of the means to accomplish scaling, Kafka uses partitioning of the data stream. Data is placed in partitions, which can be consumed at its own rate, independent of the other partitions of the same topic. Here is some info on it: how-choose-number-topics-partitions-kafka-cluster. I'll come back on why this is important.
The most common ways to ensure the order within Kafka are:
Use 1 partition for the topic
Use a partition message key to "assign" the message to a topic
In both scenarios your chronologically dependent messages need to stream through the same topic.
Also, as #pranjal thakur points out, make sure the delivery method is set to "exactly once", which has a performance impact but ensures you will not receive the messages multiple times.
The caveat
Now, here's the caveat: When changing the amount of partitions the message distribution over the partitions (when using a key) will be changed as well.
In normal conditions this can be handled easily. But if you have a high traffic situation, the migration toward a different number of partitions can result in a moment in time in which a saga-"flow" is handled over multiple partitions and the order is not guaranteed at that point.
It's up to you whether this will be an issue in your scenario.
Here are some questions you can ask to determine if this applies to your system:
What will happen if you somehow need to migrate/copy data to a new system, using Kafka?(high traffic scenario)
Can you send your data to 1 topic?
What will happen after a temporary outage of your saga service? (low availability scenario/high traffic scenario)
What will happen when you need to replay a bunch of messages?(high traffic scenario)
What will happen if we need to increase the partitions?(high traffic scenario/outage & recovery scenario)
The alternative
If you're thinking of setting up a saga, based on steps, like a state machine, I would challenge you to rethink your design a bit.
I'll give an example:
Lets consider a booking-a-hotel-room process:
Simplified, it might consist of the following steps:
Handle room reserved (incoming event)
Handle room payed (incoming event)
Send acknowledgement of the booking (after payed and some processing)
Now, if your saga is not able to handle the payment if the reservation hasn't come in yet, then you are relying on the order of events.
In this case you should ask yourself: when will this break?
If you conclude you want to avoid the chronological dependency; consider a system without a saga, or a saga which does not depend on the order of events - i.e.: accepting all messages, even when it's not their turn yet in the process.
Some examples:
aggregators
Modeled as business process: parallel gateways (parallel process flows)
Do note in such a setup it is even more crucial that every action has got an implemented compensating action (rollback action).
I know this is often hard to accomplish; but, if you start small, you might start to like it :-)
We want to introduce a Kafka Event Bus which will contain some events like EntityCreated or EntityModified into our application so other parts of our system can consume from it. The main application uses an RDMS (i.e. postgres) under the hood to store the entities and their relationship.
Now the issue is how you make sure that you only send out EntityCreated events on Kafka if you successfully saved to the RDMS. If you don't make sure that this is the case, you end up with inconsistencies on the consumers.
I saw three solutions, of which none is convincing:
Don't care: Very dangerous, there can be something going wrong when inserting into an RDMS.
When saving the entity, also save the message which should be sent into a own table. Then have a separate process which consumes from this table and publishes to Kafka and after a success deleted from this table. This is quiet complex to implement and also looks like an anti-pattern.
Insert into the RDMS, keep the (SQL-) Transaction open until you wrote successfully to Kafka and only then commit. The problem is that you potentially keep the RDMS transaction open for some time. Don't know how big the problem is.
Do real CQRS which means that you don't save at all to the RDMS but construct the RDMS out of the Kafka queue. That seems like the ideal way but is difficult to retrofit to a service. Also there are problems with inconsistencies due to latencies.
I had difficulties finding good solutions on the internet.
Maybe this question is to broad, feel free to point me somewhere it fits better.
When saving the entity, also save the message which should be sent into a own table. Then have a separate process which consumes from this table and publishes to Kafka and after a success deleted from this table. This is quiet complex to implement and also looks like an anti-pattern.
This is, in fact, the solution described by Udi Dahan in his talk: Reliable Messaging without Distributed Transactions. It's actually pretty close to a "best practice"; so it may be worth exploring why you think it is an anti-pattern.
Do real CQRS which means that you don't save at all to the RDMS but construct the RDMS out of the Kafka queue.
Noooo! That's where the monster is hiding! (see below).
If you were doing "real CQRS", your primary use case would be that your writers make events durable in your book of record, and the consumers would periodically poll for updates. Think "Atom Feed", with the additional constraint that the entries, and the order of entries, is immutable; you can share events, and pages of events; cache invalidation isn't a concern because, since the state doesn't change, the event representations are valid "forever".
This also has the benefit that your consumers don't need to worry about message ordering; the consumers are reading documents of well ordered events with pointers to the prior and subsequent documents.
Furthermore, you've additionally gotten a solution to a versioning story: rather than broadcasting N different representations of the same event, you send out one representation, and then negotiate the content when the consumer polls you.
Now, polling does have latency issues; you can reduce the latency by broadcasting an announcement of the update, and notifying the consumers that new events are available.
If you want to reduce the rate of false polling (waking up a consumer for an event that they don't care about), then you can start adding more information into the notification, so that the consumer can judge whether to pull an update.
Notice that "wake up and maybe poll" is a process that is triggered by a single event in isolation. "Wake up and poll just this message" is another variation on the same idea. We broadcast a thin version of EmailDeliveryScheduled; and the service responsible for that calls back to ask for the email/an enhanced version of the event with the details needed to construct the email.
These are specializations of "wake up and consume the notification". If you have a use case where you can't afford the additional latency required to poll, you can use the state in the representation of the isolated event.
But trying to reproduce an ordered sequence of events when that information is already exposed as a sharable, cacheable document... That's a pretty unusual use case right there. I wouldn't worry about it as a general problem to solve -- my guess is that these cases are rare, and not easily generalized.
Note that all of the above is about messaging, not about Kafka. Notice that messaging and event sourcing are documented as different use cases. Jay Kreps wrote (2013)
I use the term "log" here instead of "messaging system" or "pub sub" because it is a lot more specific about semantics and a much closer description of what you need in a practical implementation to support data replication.
You can think of the log as acting as a kind of messaging system with durability guarantees and strong ordering semantics
The book of record should be the sole authority for the order of event messages. Any consumer that cares about order should be reading ordered documents from the book of record, rather than reading unordered documents and reconstructing the order.
In your current design....
Now the issue is how you make sure that you only send out EntityCreated events on Kafka if you successfully saved to the RDMS.
If the RDBMS is the book of record (the source of "truth"), then the Kafka log isn't (yet).
You can get there from here, over a number of gentle steps; roughly, you add events into the existing database, you read from the existing database to write into kafka's log; you use kafka's log as a (time delayed) source of truth to build a replica of the existing RDBMS, you migrate your read use cases to the replica, you migrate your write use cases to kafka, and you decommission the legacy database.
Kafka's log may or may not be the book of record you want. Greg Young has been developing Get Event Store for quite some time, and has enumerated some of the tradeoffs (2016). Horses for courses - I wouldn't expect it to be too difficult to switch the log from one of these to the other with a well written code base, but I can't speak at all to the additional coupling that might occur.
There is no perfect way to do this if your requirement is look SQL & kafka as a single node. So the question should be: "What bad things(power failure, hardware failure) I can afford if it happen? What the changes(programming, architecture) I can take if it must apply to my applications?"
For those points you mentioned:
What if the node fail after insert to kafka before delete from sql?
What if the node fail after insert to kafka before commit the sql transaction?
What if the node fail after insert to sql before commit the kafka offset?
All of them will facing the risk of data inconsistency(4 is slightly better if the data insert to sql can not success more than once such as they has a non database generated pk).
From the viewpoint of changes, 3 is smallest, however, it will decrease sql throughput. 4 is biggest due to your business logic model will facing two kinds of database when you coding(write to kafka by a data encoder, read from sql by sql sentence), it has more coupling than others.
So the choice is depend on what your business is. There is no generic way.
We're trying to build a platform using microservices that communicate async over kafka.
It would seem natural, the way i understood it, to have 1 topic per aggregate type in each microservice. So a microservice implementing user registration would publish user related events into the topic "users".
Other microservices would listen to events created from the "users" microservices and implement their own logic and fill their DBs accordingly. The problem is that other microservices might not be interested in all the events generated by the user microservice but rather a subset of these events, like UserCreated only (without UsernameChanged... for example).
Using RabbitMq is easy since event handlers are invoked based on message type.
Did you ever implement message based routing/filtering over kafka?
Should we consume all the messages, deserialize them and ignore unneeded ones by the consumer? (sounds like an overhead)
Should we forward these topics to storm and redirect these messages to consumer targeted topics? (sounds like an overkill and un-scalable)
Using partitions doesn't seem logical as a routing mechanism
Use a different topic for each of the standard object actions: Create, Read, Update, and Delete, with a naming convention like "UserCreated", "UserRead", etc. If you think about it, you will likely have a different schema for the objects in each. Created will require a valid object; Read will require some kind of filter; Update you might want to handle incremental updates (add 10 to a specific field, etc).
If the different actions have different schemas it makes deserialization difficult. If you're in a loosey-goosey language like JavaScript, ok -- no big deal. But a strictly typed language like Scala and having different schemas in this same topic is problematic.
It'll also solve you're problem -- you can listen for exactly the types of actions you want, no more, not less.
I have a Java web-service that I am going to reimplement from scratch in Scala. I have an actor-based design for the new code, with around 10-20 actors. One of the use-cases has a flow like this:
Actor A gets a message a, creates tens of b messages to be handled by Actor B (possibly multiple instances, for load balancing), producing multiple c messages for Actor C, and so on.
In the scenario above, one message a could lead to a few thousand messages being sent back and forth, but I don't expect more than a handful of a messages a day (yes, it is not a busy service at the moment).
I have the following requirements:
Messages should not be lost or repeated. I mean if the system is restarted in the middle of processing b messages, the unprocessed ones should be picked up after restart. On the other hand, the processed ones should not be taken again (these messages will in the end start some big computation, and repeating them is costly).
It should be easily extensible. I mean in the future, I may want to add some other components to the system that can read all the communication (or parts of it) and for example make a log of what has happened, or count how many b messages were processed, or do something new with the b messages (next to what is already happening), etc. Note that these "components" could be independent applications written in other languages.
I am new to message bus technologies, but from what I have read, these requirements sound to me like what "message buses" offer, like RabbitMQ, Kafka, Kestrel, but I also see that akka also offers some means for persistence.
My problem is, given the huge range of possibilities, I am lost which technology to use. I read that something like Kafka is probably an overkill for my application. But I am also not sure if akka persistence answers my two requirements (especially the extensibility).
My question is: Should I go for an enterprise message bus? Something like Kafka? Or something like akka persistence will do?
Or would it be just faster and more appropriate if I implement something myself (with support for, say, AMQP to allow extensibility)?
Of course, specific technology suggestions are also welcome if you know of something that fits this purpose.
A Message Bus (typically called Message Brokers) like RabbitMQ can handle "out of the box" all of the messaging mechanisms you describe in your question. Specifically:
RabbitMQ has the ability "Out of the Box":
To deliver messages without repeating the message.
To extend the system and add logging and have statistics like you describe.