There is a game that currently is played on standalone computers.
I want to create an add-on that allows the players to interconnect. For that I think XMPP seems to be a suitable platform.
The messages that shall be exchanged is presence/roster so users can find each other, structures messages to send items or money and generic text messages for comment and fun. In later versions I'd like to experiment with some 'business logic' to send out global changes for the world or missions and such.
My question is how users get hooked up to each other. Imagine someone creates an XMPP account. How does he start meeting the others?
Or, in general how would the users see each other if they have independent accounts? Should they all join one first multi-user-chat? Should there be one monitoring component to send invites and update rosters?
If, inside the game players can enter different areas, would it make sense to have one multi-user-chat per game area?
I know these are many questions but maybe from them you get the design problem I am facing, and I'd be happy to get some clues how this could get implemented.
Meanwhile I found the answer.
The game acts as XMPP client. It sill connect automatically to a multi-user-chat that is hardcoded in the game. With the correct parameters given, the XMPP server will create the chat room on the first user to connect. Subsequent users will simply join the same room.
This given, every user will automatically receive presence messages for all users in that room. From this the client knows the other player's addresses and can send messages to specific players. Messages addressed to the room will automatically be relayed to all other users.
So the problem I saw above is actually very easy to solve within XMPP.
Socket.io offers first-class support to address specific recipients by using rooms
I'm creating a webapp where the server passes notifications to the user via Socket.io. It is a marketplace. Users may favourite/buy/sell articles and will therefore be notified from the server when something changes.
Now I've got to make the choices whether a user joins a room for every article he is interested upon login or whether I emit a message for every user individually when something changes.
What is more efficient? Is there a best practice? Am I taking on this problem from the wrong perspective?
Rooms are only a construct on the server for keeping track of lists of sockets. When you broadcast to a room, all the socket.io code does is loop through the list of sockets and send a message individually to each one.
So, in either of your cases, a message is being sent individually to each socket - same for both. Use rooms if the mechanism for keeping track of groups of sockets and being able to easily send a message to each one is useful and works for your purpose.
If you have some reason to want to use your own data structures for keeping track of lists of sockets, then that's fine too and it won't cost any more to loop through it and send a message to each one as long as you have an efficient scheme for finding which sockets you want to send the message to.
I've been working with ejabberd for some time now, but due to some recent issues and requirements, I'm curious about something.
If I create a MUC room with 2 users in it, does it differ from normal 1-to-1 chat messaging (performance wise)?
What happens if I always use MUCs for all 1to1 chats?
Does it have any performance overheads or disadvantages?
Do my connections suffer from performance penalties, and does this generally consume more resources or impose any kind of restrictions or penalties?
Any help or insights would be much appreciated.
I don't know how ejabberd implements XMPP, but from protocol perspective:
"Normal" one-to-one chats are stateless server-side. All context (message history etc) is maintained by client. Server just relays messages back and forth. On the other hand, Multi User Chats are maintained by server. Resources (participants list, room settings, message history) have to be stored somewhere, and that responsibility lies on server.
One to one messages are "ad-hoc". When one party wants to chat, they just send a message to recipient. MUC, on the other hand, has to be created, configured prior to starting conversation, and the other party has to be invited to join MUC room before conversation can begin. This adds complexity and/or time.
Multi User Chats give more features, but it is debatable whether they make sense in context of one-to-one conversations (eg. does kicking someone out of conversation make sense?). On the other hand, you probably have to properly configure chatrooms, so that they are not discoverable (one cannot see list of conversations), third parties cannot join them (unless invited to), that users cannot freely change nicknames etc.
Yes, MUC has an overhead which is the MUC process management itself.
Using OpenFire 3.71, I have a couple of different conference services, each has a couple of chat rooms in it.
Now I want to broadcast messages to all the MUC ROOMS within one of the services and not as "private messages" to the individual users in those rooms/services. (It should more or less look like as if I entered every single room, sent a message, and left...)
Is that possible in some way? Is there a plugin already? Or is at least possible to write such an plugin? I'm not really sure how the MUC's work...If somebody knows a good source for that, that would be nice to read too...
Thanks,
Jens
I figured out a workaround, in case anybody needs something similar:
I implemented the clients now in the way that they will automatically join a default (per service) muc in addition to the room they join manually. In this default room, only the "owner" can send messages and once the client receives a message in this chat it is displayed within the room that s/he is "actually" in...
As usual for "workarounds" it's surely not the best solution, but it works for my purpose...
If you know of a better solution please let me know.
Beside the obvious person to person instant message chat, What else have you used a Jabber server's functionality to enable?
Edit: links to working code to really show it off are particularly useful - and will be more likely to be voted up.
There are unlimited uses for XMPP/Jabber.
Take any message/data you want to send somewhere else and you can use jabber. Run a centralised logging service for distributed services? You can jabber the massage.
You want to check if your services/programs are running? XMPP presence will tell you. If you add custom status messages you can see exactly what is going on.
This is why Cisco has got into the game. Picture a server farm where each blade has a built in mini jabber client. On boot up it will register it's presence to the central server as awaiting work. The central server fires off some work in it's direction and it then changes it's status to "Busy". Another blade finished it's work and changes it's status back to "Available"... rinse and repeat.
When you combine the actual jabber messages with it's Out Of Band abilities, these servers can post where the results of the job can be found.
Anything you can think of needing to pass a message can be done with XMPP to some degree. Be this person to person, program to program, or any combination.
You could use a Jabber server to handle/broker messages between a client application and another server application.
It can actually be pretty effective.
Not me but Martin Woodward used jabber to control a "build bunny" that displays the current status of the build server.
http://www.woodwardweb.com/gadgets/000434.html
XMPP is good for sending messages back and forth between computers that don't need to be broken into chunks. They also can't be terribly big. If you use the right library, it can be pretty easy to set up.
Sending messages to a web page. Proof-of-concept: esagila.com
I plan to use it to receive notifications from my system, such as:
Process did not finish
Report was not generated on time
User needs help
I already receive many of these messages as email. But receiving an IM could be much more effective.
You might want to look at Vertebra which is...
a framework for orchestrating complex processes in a Cloud. It is designed with an emphasis on security, fault tolerance, and portability.
From the knowledge base:
Why was XMPP chosen for Vertebra?
XMPP based instant messaging can be a good alternative to search engines for information that is small, complete in itself and required frequently and repeatedly. For example, your daily horoscope - you require it daily and it is not large.
To see an example of this add astro#askme.im to your list of contacts in your jabber client (Gmail Chat/Gtalk/or any other Jabber client) and then initiate chat with this contact by sending the word "help".
Also see www.askme.im for a whole list of chat based solutions.
I've used Jabber in the past to get email notifications. Nowadays I use it for low-priority nagios notifications, it is very useful and way cheaper than SMS:
We use xmpp as both a 'bus' and a real-time API at http://superfeedr.com
Iowa State University Department of Agronomy has created this with Jabber: http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/iembot/
If you're a weather freak like I am, this is VERY cool stuff!
Apple implements mobileme's push service using Jabber/XMPP's subscription services to send push notifications. That is the most widespread use of Jabber for non-IM purposes I know of. This article has more details.
My friends have also built a Jabber python bot, which is kinda cute but not all that useful :-)
Edit
The most recent Next Big Thing, Google Wave, uses Jabber under the hood. Further illustrates the power of the protcol.
We have used XMPP and BOSH to enable users to communicate with a webbrowser directly and in realtime from their phone.
For example Code you can view our open source API
The vooices site also has live examples where you can control a map and play a game using your phone via your web browser: http://www.vooices.us/
I've always thought XMPP would be a good way to deliver SNMP data. OIDs are really painful, much of the system is insecure, and the SNMP traps never work quite like you want them to. With an XMPP server in the middle and a smart component to make some choices, you can use it to send out jabber or other notifications, kick off restart jobs, update web pages, or whatever else you need.
The XML data is pretty small in this case, and you can have the one XMPP server both talk to humans in message stanzas, or computers with the same protocol.