I am just starting to organize some stuff on the cluster and would like some advice on it. I posted a recent question How to organize Perl modules and got some good answers about what I was doing incorrectly. I was trying to install each perl module independently by setting the PREFIX for Makefile.PL each time to /path/to/lib/module-name/module-version/installation happens here.
For e.g. for a module JSON, I installed it like this:
perl Makefile.PL --PREFIX=/path/to/lib/perl5/5.22.1/JSON/2.53
make
make test
make install
For module Data-UUID, I did it like this:
perl Makefile.PL --PREFIX=/path/to/lib/perl5/5.22.1/Data-UUID/1.221
make
make test
make install
So it made a directory JSON/2.53 in /path/to/lib/perl5/5.22.1 and that's where it installed the package. But because I change the PREFIX for each individual module, I have to set the PATH in the bash_profile accordingly, which is kind of messy.
My main goal to do this was for version control. In a hypothetical scenario where different versions work for two of your teammates, say JSON/2.52 works for X and JSON/2.53 works for Y, how do you control for versions without having to ask them to install their versions locally? In another scenario, what if a version worked for you 3 months back and the updated version doesn't work for you anymore? How do you keep track of versions if you install everything in one directory?
I also have more questions on the module local::lib but I will post it as another question.
Thanks!
Maintaining concurrent versions of CPAN modules is asking for grief. I would suggest instead - don't, use docker for anything that's got any sort of deployment. That way you can have local installation of stuff + deps in an isolated container.
It's a bit like early days yet on docker, but they're a significant amount of enthusiasm and support for it from some very big names.
Personally I'm just using it to bundle up "mojolicious" perl webapps behind a reverse proxy, and maintain their dependencies as a self contained installation (which I can run/test/deploy autonomously)
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I have a perl script that I've put together to do some monitoring and graphing.
It works nicely on my dev system, where I have carte-blanch to install my own modules from CPAN.
What I'm looking at doing is bundling it up to deploy onto another system. But here's the catch - this other system is 'standalone' and has no network connection. (And I have change control paperwork to fill in, indicating what I'm installing).
As a result, I'd really like a nice easy way to figure out:
- What modules my scripts are making use of. (Including dependencies)
- how to easily grab them (cpan get probably)
- Is there an easy way to tell what external binaries I'm using? (I'm using for sure ssh and rrdtool - the former is definitely installed, the latter probably not).
I have a few thoughts on how to do this, but it strikes me as something that should be smoother.
I may also need to deploy a new perl, so I'm pondering whether I'm better off 'installing' the modules with system perl (probably 5.8.8 on RHEL5), or just 'packaging' the whole thing in a directory of it's own with a standalone perl instance.
Use pp to package your script and all dependant modules and libraries into a stand alone executable.
pp -x yourscript.pl -o outputfilename
See the documentation for examples of how to link to external shared objects (etc) if required. With pp you don't need perl on the target system where outputfilename will run.
Revisiting this, as the need hasn't really gone away. I have moved towards using docker - this is an 'image' and 'container' system for app deployment, which amongst other things, allows you to 'package' an application.
You create a Dockerfile - which is analagous to a Makefile - that runs through the steps to install perl + dependencies (either via a package manager, or from CPAN).
Once it has, you have a self contained, runnable 'image' that you can clone and create an instance of (a "container" in docker parlance).
It's also quite useful - even if you don't then deploy via container - to figure out what the dependencies of this application/packages were. The version in the container has everything locally installed that it needed, because it was a clean build.
When you have a system where you can't control the Perl installation (and the install is a really, really old version of Perl like 5.8.8 which is missing many nice improvements like state variables, autodie, say, and switch), you should look into Perlbrew.
Perlbrew allows you to install a user version of Perl. (In fact, it allows you to install multiple versions of Perl), and allows you to switch between the Perlbrew install and the officially installed version. It makes doing everything in Perl much, much easier.
You will have freer access to install new Perl modules, and you can do that task yourself rather than wait for your IT department to do it for you.
I ended up using it on one of our systems where the primitive version of Perl just wasn't doing what my version of Perl did. I originally asked our IT to upgrade, but they really messed up the upgrade. After going back and forth, I simply asked if I could install Perlbrew.
Which is an important point. Always ask permission. A lot of time, the IT department is more than happy to oblige. They're not Perl people, and CPAN is a world they don't want to deal with. Being able to get out of having to answer your beck and call about installing this or that Perl module is a great relief.
I posted this question looking for something similar to Buildout for Perl. I think Shipwright is what I'm looking for but I'm not really sure. I've played around with it and I created a project, imported all of my source and dependencies and I've exported everything to a vessel then the documentation sort of just stopped. What do I do with a shipyard vessel? Do I do my actual development work in the vessel, or do I do my development in the Shipyard? I'm assuming that the vessel is only for deployment, but how do I actually deploy a vessel to a web server (say I'm using linux, apache and just running straight cgi).
Is Shipwright the right thing for what I'm trying to accomplish or is there something else that would be more appropriate? Ideally I could use Shipwright similar to how I use Buildout. I use Buildout to create a nice isolated environment for my development, and also I use Buildout when deploying to live servers to manage all of my application's dependencies.
EDIT: Here are the highlights of what I can do with Buildout that I would like to be able to do in Perl.
With Buildout, I have a file in my codebase that lists dependencies (which for Perl would either be CPAN modules or other source repositories). I can run a bootstrap script that will fetch all of those dependencies and drop them into a directory within my project and NOT install them at a system level. Buildout also creates utility scripts which can do anything you want (run tests, other command line tools, anything really) and those scripts explicitly add the dependencies to the path so that as my scripts are running all of my dependencies are available to be imported.
What this really does very well is that it allows me to manage my dependencies without having to ever install anything at a system level. Which makes changing from one version to another very easy. Also, it allows me to have multiple Buildout projects running on the same system using different versions of the same module. Finally, one huge benefit is that with Buildout's directory structure, I can just commit the dependencies to source control and to deploy to a new machine I just need to do a checkout and all of my dependencies are already satisfied without having to touch anything installed at a system level.
I don't think you'll find anything exactly like Buildout in Perl, but you could put together a couple of things that would do the trick.
You could use a standard Build.PL script for Module::Build for managing your dependencies and having commands to run tests, etc.
Then you could use cpanminus to do the installation of those dependencies into a local (non-system) directory.
Then you might be able to use Shipwright to do the bundling and deployment of the project with these now-local dependencies.
I need to install my Perl-based software on networked machines which aren't connected to the internet. Therefore, I would like to download specific versions and/or latest versions of the Perl modules and I would also like to know if there is an install procedure required for these modules.
Background:
The machines aren't connected to the internet for security reasons and its deemed unnecessary also.
I would place the downloaded modules on a machine that I call the 'install server' and it contains my Perl based software and would also contain the local copies of the Perl modules.
I call a machine that I want to install my Perl-based software on, the 'target machine', also not connected to the internet. There can be several target machines, each can run this software that I want to install. I log onto the target machine and run an install script which would connect to the install machine via the local network to obtain the Perl-based software and dependent Perl modules and installs them.
So I need to know:
How/Where to get specific versions of Perl modules, e.g. CGI.pm etc
How to install these Perl modules. Is it a case of just placing them in a directory somewhere, e.g. a library path and making sure that this directory path is in the #INC library path environmental variable, if it is not already?
I would prefer not to have to do anything like make install etc. as part of installing the modules. I would like to modules to be pre-compiled or prepared as necessary so it is as simple as possible to install them. I want to avoid additional dependencies like make and its configuration, and having to parse its output to check whether it was successful.
Please help me by asking the above specific questions as I am not able to change the concept of 'install machine' and 'target machine' which aren't connected to the internet - I have to provide a solution that works within this arrangement.
The usual way to solve "I want to install stuff from CPAN but without network" problems is to use a minicpan as David Dorward wrote in his answer. But since you're going one step further, saying that you'd rather not do any real installation on the client (target) machines at all, and that you want to use precompiled modules if possible, I urge you to check out PAR and specifically PAR::Repository (server) and PAR::Repository::Client.
Since this approach needs some research before you're up to speed, I wouldn't suggest it for "I just need Foo.pm" like problems. Once you're talking about a handful of dependencies and at least a handful of clients, then it becomes a more appropriate solution.
For an outline of how it works, check out the slides of my talk at YAPC::EU 2008. It also hints at solutions to the bootstrapping problem of making the PAR::Repository::Client module available on the clients (hint: PAR can generate self-contained executables).
You can create a MiniCPAN that has just the latest versions of everything from CPAN. You can insert additional, non-public modules into it with CPAN::Mini::Inject. If you need to greater control over versions (i.e. not choosing the latest versions), you might want to create a DPAN.
With any of these solutions, you can configure your CPAN client to pull from your local source. That could be a directory you know ahead of time or something that you figure out dynamically, like a CD or a thumb-drive. It's just a matter of setting up the configuration correctly.
You might be able to get away with creating operating-system packages for most of your work, but that still means you have to compile them at least the first time.
1) How/Where to get specific versions of Perl modules, e.g. CGI.pm etc
http://search.cpan.org/
If you don't want the latest version, you can get an earlier version by following the link in the breadcrumbs.
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2) How to install these Perl modules. Is it a case of just placing them
in a directory somewhere, e.g. a library path and making sure that this
directory path is in the #INC library path environmental variable, if
it is not already?
That sometimes work, but you really should go through the perl Makefile.PL && make && make test && make install process.
Doing this would require that you manually chase all the dependencies though. You would probably be better off with something like minicpan.
This is a follow-up to my previous question about developing Perl applications. Let’s say I develop an application as a CPAN module using Module::Install. Now I upload the code to the production server, say using a git push, and I would like to install the application dependencies listed in Makefile.PL. If I simply run cpan ., the thing tries to install the application like a regular Perl module, ie. starts to copy the modules and documentation to standard Perl directories all over the system.
Is this the way it’s supposed to be? Do you install the application into the standard Perl directories? I am used to having my Perl applications in one directory with separate lib. Otherwise it seems I’d have to manage a lot of other things, like installing the resources somewhere on path etc. If I just want to install the deps declared in Makefile.PL and run the application tests to make sure everything works, what should I do?
(Is this documented somewhere? I mean, is there something like best practice for deploying and updating non-trivial Perl applications? Or is everybody doing this his own way?)
I might be misunderstanding, but I think what you're looking for is
perl Makefile.PL
make installdeps
If you are using Module::Install, you're really using ExtUtils::MakeMaker behind the scenes. You can use all of the MakeMaker features and the targets it provides. Although the documentation doesn't show every feature, there are some valuable things to be found in the generated Makefile.
However, MakeMaker is old news and most everyone has asked Santa Claus for it to disappear. If you want better control, including creating your own targets and process, Module::Build is orders of magnitude easier to work with as well as cross-platform (even if that just means not using a different make, gmake, or whatever on the same OS on different boxes). If you deviate from the normal, consumer-grade installation process, you're life will be easier without MakeMaker.
Some people appreciate the brevity of the Module::Install build file, but once constructed, you don't spend a lot of time messing with your build file so it's not that much of a real benefit. When the little benefit you get locks you into MakeMaker, it's not a win at all.
A 2014 update: Module::Build has now fallen out of favor and needs a maintainer. It never quite got to the point where people could use it to build and distribute XS modules. It was deprecated in Perl v5.19 although you can still get it from CPAN.
You could look at Module::ScanDeps to generate a list of dependent modules for installing. Or Par::Packer for packaging up the whole thing as an "app".
I'm tasked with replicating a production environment to create many test/sit environments.
One of the things I need to do is build up Perl, with all the modules which have been installed (including internal and external modules) over the years. I could just use CPAN.pm autobundle, but this will result in the test environment having much newer versions of the external modules that production has.
What is the easiest/best way to get and install (a lot of) version specific Perl modules.
bdfoy has the best large scale solution, but if you just want to install a few modules you can ask the CPAN shell to install a specific distribution by referencing a path to a tarball (relative to the top of the CPAN tree).
cpan> install MSCHWERN/Test-Simple-0.62.tar.gz
Throw a URL to BackPAN into your URL list and you can install any older version.
cpan> o conf urllist push http://backpan.perl.org/
This is in the CPAN.pm FAQ under "how do I install a 'DEVELOPER RELEASE' of a module?"
cpan install App::cpanminus
cpanm Your::Module#1.23
(Carton, as referenced in other answers, uses cpanm underneath to resolve explicit version requirements.)
Make your own CPAN mirror with exactly what you want. Stratopan.com, a service, and Pinto, tools that's built on top of, can help you do that.
The CPAN tools only install the latest version of any distribution because PAUSE only indexes the latest version. However, you can create your own, private CPAN that has exactly the distributions that you want. Once you have your own CPAN mirror with only what you want, you point your CPAN tools at only that mirror so it only installs those versions. More on that in a minute.
Now, you want to have several versions of that. You can create as many mirrors as you like, and you can also put the mirrors in source control so you can check out any version of the mirror that you like.
Tools such as CPAN::Mini::Inject can help you set up your own CPAN. Check out my talks on Slideshare for the basic examples, and some of my videos on Vimeo for some of the demonstrations. Look at anything that has "CPAN" or "BackPAN" in the title. I think I might have some stuff about it in The Perl Review too, or should by the next issue. :)
Lately, I've been working on a program called dpan (for DarkPAN) that can look at random directories, find Perl distributions in them, and create the structure and index files that you need. You run dpan, you get a URL to point your CPAN client toward, and off you go. It's part of my MyCPAN-Indexer project, which is in Github. It's not quite ready for unsupervised public use because I mostly work with corporate clients to customize their setup. If you're interested in that, feel free to ask me questions though.
Also, I recently released CPAN::PackageDetails that can help you build the right index file. It's still a bit young too, but again, if you need something special, just ask.
[It's almost five years on and this is a well-asked and well-answered question that has had a lot of views. Since this page must still come up in Google searches, an update can't hurt.]
Carton is worth mentioning here. Carton is a relatively recent tool in the same style as App::cpanminus, App::cpanoutdated, perlbrew, et. al. The author (Miyagawa) calls it "alpha" quality, but even in its current state carton helps simplify the maintenance of multiple environments of version tuned modules across machines.
Pinto too is another recent tool relevant to some of the responses (in fact one of the respondents is a contributor).
Stratopan.com is another alternative. Stratopan provides private CPANs in the cloud. You can fill your Stratopan repository with specific versions of modules (and their dependencies) and then install them using the standard Perl tool chain. The repository changes only when you decide to change it, so you'll get always get the versions of the modules that you want.
Disclaimer: I operate Stratopan.
It seems that creating a cpanfile listing all your modules and desired versions (using the == <version> syntax to lock it to a specific release) could serve well here, too. That would mean using Carton or cpanm for installing the modules.
Doing this would have the benefit of being able to quickly/easily tweak the file to test upgrading specific modules in a dev or staging environment - something that a private CPAN mirror wouldn't let you do (without creating multiple mirrors).