Say I'm a small application (www.example.com) and I'm integrating with a much larger enterprise (www.acme.com).
In this scenario I am the service provider and they are the Identity provider.Their request is that I integrate into their auth ecosystem using SSO (specifically SAML 2.0).
For the standard IdP-initiated flow, users will sign in on their end and they will POST an XML assertion to my application, which will then verify the user and sign them in to my application (i.e. set a browser session).
The enterprise uses PingFederate as their identity server, and they are curious what implementation my application uses. At this time I have none.
If my application is a single monolith (e.g. a small Ruby on Rails app), do I even need a federated server? Ultimately they are just looking for a place to POST SAML data to, so I can set up an endpoint and go from there right?
What are some general benefits of a federated server? Why wouldn't every service provider application (small and large) just set up an endpoint to ingest SAML data and call it a day?
Thanks!
You don't necessarily need a Federation server. However, if you decide in the future to divide/expand your application into micro-services or integrate your service with other 3rd Parties, a server will allow you to scale without disrupting your current customers (great CX) and not have to manage separate security endpoints.
I think we should move this to software engineering
How do users authenticate with your service? Having a federated identity guarantees that the whole user management process it's someone else's problem. They're looking for a way to integrate your service into their authentication system, so you need to set up an endpoint not only to consume but to be able to send SAML request to their identity server as well.
I use my Google Account credentials to access almost all my social networking sites (including Stack Exchange), that means among other things that all sites know me as the same entity plus I just have to remember the one password.
Don't know about SAML but almost everybody is using OpenId or OAuth.
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Is there a possibility to verify login+password in Perl via SAML at an Identity Provider (IdP)? If yes: how?
I am aware that this is not the usual way for SAML to work.
The background to this is that we have 4 different clients for our web application, which is supposed to enable a central password via SAML, which are implemented in completely different technologies.
Our product manager has decided that a SAML connection is too complex for the 4 clients and that authentication should therefore take place centrally in the web application.
The clients transfer login and password to the web application, just like without SSO, and the web application is supposed to verify the access data centrally.
Question 1: Is there a possibility to verify login+password in Perl via SAML at an Identity Provider (IdP)? If yes: how?
Answer:
Definitely No, from the cybersecurity perspective.
Question 2: I am aware that this is not the usual way for SAML to work.
Answer:
Yes. You are correct.
(I) The SAML specification defines three roles: a user, an identity provider (IdP), and a service provider (SP). In the primary use case addressed by SAML, a user requests to access a service or log in to a web application from a service provider. The service provider requests and obtains an authentication assertion from the identity provider. On the basis of this assertion, the service provider can make an access control decision for the user, that is, it can decide whether to allow the user to access the service or log in to a web application.
(II) Before delivering the subject-based assertion to the SP, the IdP may request some information from the user (such as a user name and password) in order to authenticate the user. SAML specifies the content of the assertion that is passed from the IdP to the SP.
(II.a) In SAML, one identity provider may provide SAML assertions to many SPs.
(II.b) Similarly, one SP may rely on and trust assertions from many IdPs. This will be the SAML scenario of your web application if your product manager decided to request all 4 different clients of your web application to develop their own SAML IdP. For example, some social websites allow their users to log in to their web account through identity authentication provided by the third-party IdPs such as Google, Facebook, LinkedIn via OAuth 2 protocol or OpenID Connect protocol/OAuth 2 (instead of SAML).
Question 3: The background to this is that we have 4 different clients for our web application, which is supposed to enable a central password via SAML, which are implemented in completely different technologies.
Answer:
If 4 different clients for your web application are supposed to enable a central password via SAML, they can implement their own SAML IdP in completely different technologies or programming language such as Java, PHP, or Scala.
(I) For example,
We developed our former version of Zero-Password Authentication and Authorization System in Java and leveraged Java-based Shibboleth IdP to provide SAML SSO for enterprise applications.
We developed our current version of Zero-Password Authentication and Authorization System with scalability and high availability in Scala to provide SAML SSO natively for enterprise applications without Shibboleth IdP.
(II) No matter which technology or programming language are used by 4 different clients of your web application to implement their own SAML IdP, their SAML IdP only needs to authenticate their users using a central password data store/repository (such as OpenLDAP or MySQL) locally and then deliver the user info using SAML assertion/SAML response to your web application/SAML service provider. Your web application/SAML service provider just needs to map the user info carried by SAML assertion to a local user info of your web application.
Question 4: Our product manager has decided that a SAML connection is too complex for the 4 clients and that authentication should therefore take place centrally in the web application.
Answer:
If the user identity authentication needs to take place centrally in your web application instead of in the SAML IdP, then 4 different clients do NOT need to implement their own SAML IdP from the cybersecurity perspective.
Instead you just need to create and assign different sub-domain to all 4 different clients, that is, all 4 different clients of your web application access different sub-domain, such as client-org1.your-web-app.com, client-org2.your-web-app.com, client-org3.your-web-app.com, client-org4.your-web-app.com.
Note that different sub-domain of your web application displays the same login webpage. Example #1: client-org1.box.com, client-org2.box.com if your clients also subscribe Box account, or Example #2: client-org1.my.salesforce.com, client-org2.my.salesforce.com if your clients also subscribe Salesforce account.
Question 5: The clients transfer login and password to the web application, just like without SSO, and the web application is supposed to verify the access data centrally.
Answer:
Different sub-domain of your web application displays the same login webpage.
4 different clients of your web application access different sub-domain of your web application, users of 4 different clients submit their login and password to your web application (through different sub-domain URL), just like without SSO, and the data store/repository of your web application is supposed to verify the access data (i.e., login username/password) centrally. Then 4 different clients of your web application do NOT need any SAML IdP.
Currently my organization uses a number of web apps/mobile apps/APIs, some of which authenticate against an in-house IdP and others which use a third-party proprietary system (over which we have no control).
We have been asked to implement SSO for these web applications and as a result I have been reading up on OpenID Connect. I believe this would be a better solution than SAML given that (a) end-users are not always enterprise users, and (b) SAML not designed for mobile applications.
I believe I understand the flow reasonably well but have one sticking point. To allow users to authenticate using an external IdP, we would need to map the user back to our internal id. For example, user authenticates using OIDC/Google, resulting in us receiving the user's unique Google idenitifer (and email etc if we queried further), but this is not useful to us until we can map the Google identifier back to our internal customer id.
Is this mapping out of scope for OIDC? If so, is there a best-practice method for doing this? I'm sure we are not alone in this requirement...
Thanks,
John
Is this mapping out of scope for OIDC?
Short answer, yes.! If your backend require a comparison/validation with internal identity details, then it has to be done out-of-scope of OpenID Connect(OIDC) protocol. OIDC simply define the process of obtaining tokens (ID and access token), which are required for authentication and authorization.
is there a best-practice method for doing this?
One option is to use out of band directory synchronization. For example, Google provider Google Cloud Directory Sync (GCDS), which allows you to synchronize identity details to LDAP or MS Active directory. Other alternative is to use SCIM protocol to communicate and provision users dynamically. For example Google provide that support as well.
Alternatively, you can use just-in-time provision at the time you receive tokens. This support will depend on your identity provider implementation. For example, WSO2 identity server support both JIT provisioning as well as SCIM.
Looking for direction.
I've got a single web application that I want to SSO into from multiple applications that all handle their own authentication. The web application wants to use SAML for SSO'ing. The web application requires IdP metadata (we've got one web service that is its own IdP, don't know what the other applications are using). The web application can also accept SAML Assertions with provisions to determine user access when it creates the new users after they SSO in.
I'm looking to get a one stop shop for the web application to hit to determine authentication and authorization.
I've got another web application (.NET Core) that runs Identity Server 4 to handle authentication for one of the many applications that wants to SSO into the web application. Can I use that? I would need to integrate SAML into it. How do I do that? Also, how can I easily integrate all the other applications to use this one web application to SSO into the SAML web application. Is this what Federating is?
Trying to do this with minimal work to all the other applications because that kind of integration work across multiple teams would be kind of a nightmare.
Any suggestions?
Thanks!
If you're already using Identity Server 4, you're probably best to stick with it and add SAML SSO support to it.
SAML SSO support isn't included natively in Identity Server 4 but there are two commercial offerings that add this support.
The following link has some good articles describing how to support SAML SSO in Identity Server 4.
https://medium.com/the-new-control-plane/tagged/identityserver4
We want to deeply integrate OneDrive with our web app in order to handle document and storage data. However, we want the users not to log in twice. I'm not sure whether this is possible, but I've been reading about SSO and SAML and it seems like it's the way to go.
Is it possible, and if so, is Single Sign On the way to go?
Single Sign-On (SSO) is a great solution for user experience when web applications are hosted on different domains. SAML as a standard was developed for cross domain authentication to solve this use case. You will need an Identity Provider (IdP) server that handles authentication of users to your web application and then the IdP Server issues SAML assertions to your web application and OneDrive. Your application in this architecture will be a Service Provider (SP) that will consume SAML assertions, as well as OneDrive is a SP that consumes SAML assertions. There are a number of SSO/Federation vendors that provide the IdP Server.
As far as implementation, once you have chosen and installed the IdP Server, you will need to implement your web application to consume the SAML assertion and configure the IdP Server as a connection. OneDrive will simply be a configuration as it already supports SAML and WS-Federation.
In addition to SAML as a protocol, there are other standards with respect to SSO/Federation such as OpenID Connect (OIDC) and OAuth2. When choosing a IdP Server solution you may want to look at these other protocols that can solve additional use cases. SAML works well for web applications and the use case you have described. OIDC and OAuth2 are better suited for secure APIs and native mobile applications.
Another consideration when looking at an IdP Server is how authentication is to be performed. Options for authentication could be using Kerberos/IWA if all clients are on a common domain, or authentication using a Login Form. You may also want to look at MFA support when looking at an IdP Server as part of the SSO solution.
I have a 3rd party program that supports web SSO using SAML 1.1 (it is ready to serve as the Service Provider, in other words).
We would like to implement this SSO for our intranet users based on their Active Directory credentials. In other words, they've already logged on to their system, so let's simply use those credentials to facilitate an SSO. I am a little overwhelmed at where to begin, though.
My initial thought is that IIS / Active Directory could easily serve as the Identity Provider since IIS gives us "Integrated Windows Authentication" abilities. I would think we could just create a .NET web app that requires Integrated Authentication which simply extracts the current user ID, builds the SAML response, and re-directs the user back to the Service Provider with this SAML response to complete the SSO.
But then, my problem is that I simply have no real idea of how to go about creating this SAML response, the X.509 certs involved, etc... I am wondering if I am in over my head on this, or if creating this SAML response should be relatively easy.
Note this SSO is to be used by intranet users only, so no need to worry about federating with other companies / domains.
Another option that you may want to look into is Microsoft's Active Directory Federation Server (ADFS) 2.0.
I wouldn't bother trying to build something SAML compliant. It will take you weeks to use a toolkit and your efforts will probably only handle the one use case. Once you get something custom into place you'll soon realize the rest of your organization needs some type of SAML integration as well (either internal or externally).
The quickest (and IMHO) easiest way (and you'll come out looking like a hero) is to use something like PingFederate from www.pingidentity.com. You can have it up and running in less than a day if you know what you are doing.
Just my $0.02
HTH - Ian