I'm trying to find a messaging system that supports the following use case.
Producer registers topic namespace
client subscribes to topic
first client triggers notification on producer to start producing
new client with subscription to the same topic receives data (potentially conflated, similar to hot/cold observables in RX world)
When the last client goes away, unsubscribe or crash, notify the producer to stop producing to said topic
I am aware that according to the pub/sub pattern A producer is defined to be blissfully unaware of the existence of consumers, meaning that my use-case simply does not fit the pub/sub paradigm.
So far I have looked into Kafka, Redis, NATS.io and Amazon SQS, but without much success. I've been thinking about a few possible ways to solve this, Haven't however found anything that would satisfy my needs yet.
One option that springs to mind, for bullet 2) is to model a request/reply pattern as amongs others detailed on the NATS page to have the producer listen to clients. A client would then publish a 'subscribe' message into the system that the producer would pick up on a wildcard subscription. This however leaves one big problem, which is unsubscribing. Assuming the consumer stops as it should, publishing an unsubscribe message just like the subscribe would work. But in the case of a crash or similar this won't work.
I'd be grateful for any ideas, references or architectural patterns/best practices that satisfy the above.
I've been doing quite a bit of research over the past week but haven't come across any satisfying Q&A or articles. Either I'm approaching it entirely wrong, or there just doesn't seem to be much out there which would surprise me as to me, this appears to be a fairly common scenario that applies to many domains.
thanks in advance
Chris
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An actual simple use-case that I have at hand is stock quote distribution.
Quotes come from external source
subscribe to stock A quotes from external system when the first end-user looks at stock A
Stop receiving quotes for stock A from external system when no more end-users look at said stock
RabbitMQ has internal events you can use with the Event Exchange Plugin. Event such as consumer.created or consumer.deleted could be use to trigger some actions at your server level: for example, checking the remaining number of consumers using RabbitMQ Management API and takes action such as closing a topic, based on your use cases.
I don't have any messaging consumer present based publishing in mind. Got ever worst because you'll need kind of heartbeat mechanism to handle consumer crashes.
So here are my two cents, not sue if you're looking for an out of the box solution, but if not, you could wrap your application around a zookeeper cluster to handle all your use cases.
Simply use watchers on ephemeral nodes to check when you have no more consumers ( including crashes) and put some watcher around a 'consumers' path to be advertised when you get consumers.
Consumers side, you would have to register your zk node ID whenever you start it.
It's not so complicated to do, and zk is not the only solution for this, you might use other consensus techs as well.
A start for zookeeper :
https://zookeeper.apache.org/doc/r3.1.2/zookeeperStarted.html
( strongly advise to use curator api, which handle lot of recipes in a smooth way)
Yannick
Unfortunately you haven't specified your use business use case that you try to solve with such requirements. From the sound of it you want not the pub/sub system, but an orchestration one.
I would recommend checking out the Cadence Workflow that is capable of supporting your listed requirements and many more orchestration use cases.
Here is a strawman design that satisfies your requirements:
Any new subscriber sends an event to a workflow with a TopicName as a workflowID to subscribe. If workflow with given ID doesn't exist it is automatically started.
Any subscribe sends another signal to unsubscribe.
When no subscribers are left workflow exits.
Publisher sends an event to the workflow to deliver to subscribers.
Workflow delivers the event to the subscribers using an activity.
If workflow with given TopicName doesn't run the publish event to it is going to fail.
Cadence offers a lot of other advantages over using queues for task processing.
Built it exponential retries with unlimited expiration interval
Failure handling. For example it allows to execute a task that notifies another service if both updates couldn't succeed during a configured interval.
Support for long running heartbeating operations
Ability to implement complex task dependencies. For example to implement chaining of calls or compensation logic in case of unrecoverble failures (SAGA)
Gives complete visibility into current state of the update. For example when using queues all you know if there are some messages in a queue and you need additional DB to track the overall progress. With Cadence every event is recorded.
Ability to cancel an update in flight.
Distributed CRON support
See the presentation that goes over Cadence programming model.
Related
I am working on a project which is actually will be a better version of an old project. We want it to be scalable to be able to deal with high load. So we decided to go with microservices instead of monolithic. Then I started to do research about microservices, how they communicate, common design patterns and other things. Since I want my services to be scalable, event based communication made sense to me. So I decided to use kafka for this purpose.
We have much more services in the system but to simplify my question lets say I have 2 types of services which are work-node and master-node. I want both of them to be scalable. For now they are communicating over kafka.
My question : for a case I want to publish an event (produce a message on a topic) from master-node and get that event (consume from the topic) from all work-nodes. But for an other case I need to send a message to specific work-node. To be able to cover first case, all my work-nodes have different group ids in kafka and when a message published on a topic they all get that message. I know that I am not able to send a message to specific consumer with kafka. Since my nodes are scalable and their number can increase or decrease depending on the load, creating a topic for each node does not seem a good idea. My first solution was adding work-node id in message. So other work-nodes can ignore that message. Well it works but I don't think it is a good solution. My second solution is sending http request if I am going to send a message to specific node. But I don't know mixing 2 communication methods is a good solution.
What do you guys think about this problem. Is there a better solution that I am missing ? Or my whole design is going wrong ?
Kafka is not an appropriate technology for the use case you describe. I would recommend using Cadence Workflow which natively supports routing tasks to specific nodes as well as dozens of other features that messaging systems lack.
Feel free to join Cadence Workflow slack channel if you have specific questions.
I think you should able to. Consider regular Kafka flow. You have some consumer groups subscribed to the topic. Producer doesn't send message to specific partition until you specify.
Now think about the scenario that you produce some message based on your algorithm to the specific partitions.
Message received from A
some kind of algorithm like hashcode generated always 0 for A
Message send to Partition 0
Consumer 1 connected to Partiton 0
Only Consumer 1 gets the message coming from A
I have been working on a project that is basically an e-commerce. It's a multi tenant application in which every client has its own domain and the website adjusts itself based on the clients' configuration.
If the client already has a software that manages his inventory like an ERP, I would need a medium on which, when the e-commerce generates an order, external applications like the ERP can be notified that this has happened to take actions in response. It would be like raising events over different applications.
I thought about storing these events in a database and having the client make requests in a short interval to fetch the data, but something about polling and using a REST Api for this seems hackish.
Then I thought about using Websockets, but if the client is offline for some reason when the event is generated, the delivery cannot be assured.
Then I encountered Message Queues, RabbitMQ to be specific. With a message queue, modeling the problem in a simplistic manner, the e-commerce would produce events on one end and push them to a queue that a clients worker would be processing as events arrive.
I don't know what is the best approach, to be honest, and would love some of you experienced developers give me a hand with this.
I do agree with Steve, using a message queue in your situation is ideal. Message queueing allows web servers to respond to requests quickly, instead of being forced to perform resource-heavy procedures on the spot. You can put your events to the queue and let the consumer/worker handle the request when the consumer has time to handle the request.
I recommend CloudAMQP for RabbitMQ, it's easy to try out and you can get started quickly. CloudAMQP is a hosted RabbitMQ service in the cloud. I also recommend this RabbitMQ guide: https://www.cloudamqp.com/blog/2015-05-18-part1-rabbitmq-for-beginners-what-is-rabbitmq.html
Your idea of using a message queue is a good one, better than database or websockets for the reasons you describe. With the message queue (RabbitMQ, or another server/broker based system such as Apache Qpid) approach you should consider putting a broker in a "DMZ" sort of network location so that your internal ecommerce system can push events out to it, and your external clients can reach into without risking direct access to your core business systems. You could also run a separate broker per client.
There are various example applications and frameworks that implement a CQRS + Event Sourcing architecture and most describe use of an event handler to create a denormalized view from domain events stored in an event store.
One example of hosting this architecture is as a web api that accepts commands to the write side and supports querying the denormalized views. This web api is likely scaled out to many machines in a load balanced farm.
My question is where are the read model event handlers hosted?
Possible scenarios:
Hosted in a single windows service on a separate host.
If so, wouldn't that create a single point of failure? This probably complicates deployment too but it does guarantee a single thread of execution. Downside is that the read model could exhibit increased latency.
Hosted as part of the web api itself.
If I'm using EventStore, for example, for the event storage and event subscription handling, will multiple handlers (one in each web farm process) be fired for each single event and thereby cause contention in the handlers as they try to read/write to their read store? Or are we guaranteed for a given aggregate instance all its events will be processed one at a time in event version order?
I'm leaning towards scenario 2 as it simplifies deployment and also supports process managers that need to also listen to events. Same situation though as only one event handler should be handling a single event.
Can EventStore handle this scenario? How are others handling processing of events in eventually consistent architectures?
EDIT:
To clarify, I'm talking about the process of extracting event data into the denormalized tables rather than the reading of those tables for the "Q" in CQRS.
I guess what I'm looking for are options for how we "should" implement and deploy the event processing for read models/sagas/etc that can support redundancy and scale, assuming of course the processing of events is handled in an idempotent way.
I've read of two possible solutions for processing data saved as events in an event store but I don't understand which one should be used over another.
Event bus
An event bus/queue is used to publish messages after an event is saved, usually by the repository implementation. Interested parties (subscribers), such as read models, or sagas/process managers, use the bus/queue "in some way" to process it in an idempotent way.
If the queue is pub/sub this implies that each downstream dependency (read model, sagas, etc) can only support one process each to subscribe to the queue. More than one process would mean each processing the same event and then competing to make the changes downstream. Idempotent handling should take care of consistency/concurrency issues.
If the queue is competing consumer we at least have the possibility of hosting subscribers in each web farm node for redundancy. Though this requires a queue for each downstream dependency; one for sagas/process managers, one for each read model, etc, and so the repository would have to publish to each for eventual consistency.
Subscription/feed
A subscription/feed where interested parties (subscriber) read an event stream on demand and get events from a known checkpoint for processing into a read model.
This looks great for recreating read models if necessary. However, as per the usual pub/sub pattern, it would seem only one subscriber process per downstream dependency should be used. If we register multiple subscribers for the same event stream, one in each web farm node for example, they will all attempt to process and update the same respective read model.
In our project we use subscription-based projections. The reasons for this are:
Committing to the write-side must be transactional and if you use two pieces of infrastructure (event store and message bus), you have to start using DTC or otherwise you risk your events to be saved to the store but not published to the bus, or the other way around, depending on your implementation. DTC and two-phase commits are nasty things and you do not want to go this way
Events are usually published in the message bus anyway (we do it via subscriptions too) for event-driven communication between different bounded contexts. If you use message subscribers to update your read model, when you decide to rebuilt the read model, your other subscribers will get these messages too and this will bring the system to invalid state. I think you have thought about this already when saying you must only have one subscriber for each published message type.
Message bus consumers have no guarantee on message order and this can bring your read model to mess.
Message consumers usually handle retries by sending the message back to the queue, and usually by the end of the queue, for retrying. This means that your events can become heavily out of order. In addition, usually after some number of retries, message consumer gives up on the poison message and puts it to some DLQ. If this would be your projection, this will mean that one update will be ignored whilst others will be processed. This means that your read model will be in inconsistent (invalid) state.
Considering these reasons, we have single-threaded subscription-based projections that can do whatever. You can do different type of projections with own checkpoints, subscribing to the event store using catch-up subscriptions. We host them in the same process as many other things for the sake of simplicity but this process only runs on one machine. Should we want to scale-out this process, we will have to take the subscriptions/projections out. It can easily be done since this part has virtually no dependencies to other modules, except the read model DTOs itself, which can be shared as an assembly anyway.
By using subscriptions you always project events that have been already committed. If something goes wrong with the projections, the write side is definitely the source of truth and remains so, you just need to fix the projection and run it again.
We have two separate ones - one for projecting to the read model and another one for publishing events to the message bus. This construct has proven to work very well.
Specifically for EventStore, they now have competing consumers, which are server based subscriptions where many clients can subscribe to the subscription group but only one client gets the message.
It sounds like that is what you are after, each node in the farm can subscribe to the subscription group and the node that receives the message does the projection
I have an event stream that I want to publish. It's partitioned into topics, continually updates, will need to scale horizontally (and not having a SPOF is nice), and may require replaying old events in certain circumstances. All the features that seem to match Kafka's capabilities.
I want to publish this to the world through a public API that anyone can connect to and get events. Is Kafka a suitable technology for exposing as a public API?
I've read the Documentation page, but not gone any deeper yet. ACLs seem to be sensible.
My concerns
Consumers will be anywhere in the world. I can't see that being a problem seeing Kafka's architecture. The rate of messages probably won't be more than 10 per second.
Is integration with zookeeper an issue?
Are there any arguments against letting subscriber clients connect that I don't control?
Are there any arguments against letting subscriber clients connect that I don't control?
One of the issues that I would consider is possible group.id collisions.
Let's say that you have one single topic to be used by the world for consuming your messages.
Now if one of your clients has a multi-node system and wants to avoid reading the same message twice, they would set the same group.id to both nodes, forming a consumer group.
But, what if someone else in the world uses the same group.id? They would affect the first client, causing it to lose messages. There seems to be no security at that level.
i would like to take messages from amazon sqs in the same order in which it is inserted into sqs ( first in first out model).
Is their any way to implement it??
I am using zend php for programing.
Unordered message delivery is inherent in the design of SQS. You could try to work around it by numbering the messages and storing the out-of-order messages locally until the missing messages arrive, but its probably not worth the hassle.
SQS is really a bit of an odd duck, it does what it says, but what it does isn't what most people are looking for in a message bus. I really wish Amazon would offer and additional queuing solution more like RabbitMQ. SQS is really only suited for distributing tasks that aren't even remotely coupled, and where things like order and latency aren't important. For instance it would be great for sending completed orders to a shipping center, or perhaps scheduling print jobs.
Their own documentation shows it being used to schedule thumbnail creation, but when I recently used it for this exact purpose I quickly discovered that my users weren't going to be impressed with the latency: which at times is 30-50 seconds.
You can still run RabbitMQ on EC2 nodes, and while not as scalable as SQS it does cluster and should take you pretty far.
You could try IronMQ. It is hosted like SQS, has guaranteed first in first out ordering, no eventual consistency delays, is uber scalable and you can be up and running in minutes.
Here's a PHP library for it: https://github.com/iron-io/iron_mq_php
Disclaimer: I work for Iron.io
The SQS documentation answers this for you (bold is my emphasis to directly answer your question):
Amazon SQS makes a best effort to preserve order in messages, but due
to the distributed nature of the queue, we cannot guarantee you will
receive messages in the exact order you sent them. If your system
requires that order be preserved, we recommend you place sequencing
information in each message so you can reorder the messages upon
receipt.
I have tried to implement the FIFO fashion for receiving the messages in the same order they were sent
For this you can use message sequence no which it sent every time with message and validate at the receiver end
By Using this way you can get desired output in FIFO order