We are choosing a CMS platform for a big old solution. It's preferable to have site on-premise, not in cloud (company policy) and a lifelong license.
Does anyone have experience with building a solution with similar characteristics on Umbraco / Episerver / Sitecore / Sitefinity:
~ 4-20 mln visits a day (3 sites)
~ 4000 requests/sec
~ 6 mln pages of content (search is needed in admin for all pages)
It seems to me that headless solution would be the most suitable (with layers of caching in-between).
But is it possible to implement everything on-premise:
scalable solution (horizontally)
efficient search
recommendation system
All CMS vendors mentioned support both on-premise and cloud hosting and can easily handle such loads (if properly implemented).
Episerver has sophisticated search and recommendation engines, although those rely on cloud services even if the CMS itself is hosted on-premise.
A headless approach can be great from a technical/performance standpoint, but it does come with a risk of less user-friendly content authoring depending on the implementation.
The idea is to use combine Rich Content Management facilities provided by CMS +
Unlimited scaling options and performance(Content Delivery Networks)
Content from Sitecore is published to CDN via Uniform.
The result - best theoretically possible performance in any region in the world.
The specific architecture/design is to be used, though (JAM Stack).
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We are looking for a Asp.net CMS to integrate in our existing Enterprise-Webapplication. Some requirements:
Full integration in Visual Studio 2010 and our existing Application (so no Umbraco)
Common ASP.NET Web Forms Developing practices (Global.asax, Masterpages, User-/Custom-Controls)
Security (FormsAuthentication, custom Membership-/RoleProvider)
Very flexible and extendable (good API)
Lightweights CMS with good performance (thousands of simultaneous requests)
Easy content editing
At the moment we are looking at Sitefinity and N2CMS.
I really like the N2CMS approach (Integrate CMS engine in application) but is it mature enough for "real" usage scenarios? Is there another alternative to N2CMS?
Yes, N2 is mature. Company I work for is using it for more than three years now for various projects, and it is still our platform of choice. Best thing about it is that it is not CM System in a classic manner but rather CM Framework with several layers, meaning you have many things implemented, but they are not part of the core. As a result, you can change almost anything that is not usually changeable in other CMSes.
Also, whole architecture is organized in such a way that you can easily override almost any system behavior with your own implementation. Example? Imagine you reached 100s of news entries under News folder in site tree, and you decide to completely hide them from site tree, instead implementing plugin for manipulating them. Solution? Attribute-decorated class with 10 lines of code for hiding items in a tree based on your custom rule expressed in C# code.
I think N2 is pretty polished product and that you can go for it without too much worries.
We too are using N2. We've used it for a campaign site and now we are building our companies corporate website and the 20-or-so country specific subsidiary sites.
It is very fast to develop on (if you are a .net programmer it is a treat, an html-guy might find it difficult). Extremely flexible and extensible. And so far it seems to be very mature and stable. It has less features in terms of workflow-management than e.g. sitecore, but then again most customers put a lot of emphasis on those things, when they evaluate options, but end up not using them. So I don't think that is a problem.
The problem we are having is that it doesn't properly support preview, so website editors cannot preview their changes before publishing them. It is supposed to be done at some point, but there is no word on when.
Full disclosure, I work for Telerik and I'm the Sitefinity Evangelist.
Full integration in Visual Studio 2010 and our existing Application (so no Umbraco)
This is a difficult item to claim with a blanket statement.
I don't know much about your existing application. Our customers have accomplished a lot of Sitefinity integrations with various applications. This could be done through web services, custom controls or simply accounting for external URL's in Sitefinity's sitemap. Feel free to post to our Sitefinity forums for recommendations for your specific scenario.
Regarding Visual Studio integration, Sitefinity includes Telerik RadControls and OpenAccess ORM. We also try to align ourselves closely with traditional ASP.NET technologies.
Common ASP.NET Web Forms Developing practices
Sitefinity Templates = ASP.NET Master Pages
Editable CMS regions = ContentPlaceHolders
Sitefinity Widgets = ASP.NET Controls
Sitefinity Themes = ASP.NET Themes
We make the marketing claim "if you know ASP.NET, then you know Sitefinity". However, realistically all products comes with some learning curve. As much as possible we try to align ourselves with the experience ASP.NET developers already have.
Security (FormsAuthentication, custom Membership-/RoleProvider)
Sitefinity's authentication is based on traditional ASP.NET Membership & Role providers. We've included a couple (Sitefinity & Active Directory) but you can extend with your own.
Very flexible and extendable (good API)
Our API is LINQ enabled and we also have a Fluent API. We also have a full RESTful web service API.
Lightweight CMS with good performance (thousands of simultaneous requests)
Our own Telerik web sites run on Sitefinity, and many of our customers support web sites that handle a large volume of traffic.
However, I'm not sure what constitutes "lightweight". Many CMS's have little overhead, but also do very little. We've tried to deliver a lot of features and end-user friendliness with Sitefinity. This comes at the cost of some overhead.
Managing the balance between a CMS that "helps you" and "gets out of your way" is a constant challenge. The best I can promise is that we're aware of the challenge and we're doing our best to deliver effective results.
Easy content editing
Judge for yourself. Even better, download the product and let your content editors experiment. We welcome the comparison. Over & over again, this becomes our differentiator.
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Hopefully this post doesn't sound like a lot of evangelist BS. I've tried to be accurate with my answers. Best of luck with your project.
i need to put a corporate site under a cms, which i haven't finally chosen yet, and have some tight requirements for it:
it should be very well organized at a code level, as i'm a developer and i need to add some very custom functionality to the site;
ability to create custom content types (a la drupal's cck does);
very good i18n abilities as the site will be multilingual to and fro;
caching / performance control solutions as the site experiences tens of thousands unique hosts a day;
publishing features like pre-moderation, authoring and versioning;
sending custom emails;
creating custom web forms with input data validation;
content access levels;
i would like to have my static content (images / css / pdf's etc) on a separate domain (possibly hosted on amazon cloud) processed by caching proxy server like nginx -- not a tight requirement, but still;
i evaluated these requirements and came up with ez publish as a solution. i'm not very experienced in cms world; i've worked with drupal and wordpress, but, being good cms'es, none of these meet my requirements (drupal isn't good at a code level and wordpress is a blog solution). also i don't want to mess with joomla or complexity of typo3. so, my question is -- does ez publish have a competitor in this field, regardless of the implemention language?
Given that you already went through a clear requirement analysis and already figured that eZ Publish meets them all, there is no other need for me than pointing you to the very welcoming eZ Publish Community, in case you would like to have more in-depth, real-life feedback on every of your points above, by eZ Community members.
You can find them there : http://share.ez.no
A recent code-level comparison between eZ Publish & Drupal confirms your intuition : http://share.ez.no/blogs/marko-zmak/ezpublish-vs.-drupal
I must confess i liked reading your :
.. and wordpress is a blog solution
Cheers,
I'd have to agree with Nicolas. I worked for about 4 years doing custom CMS integration for companies of all different sizes and requirements and to this day I haven't found an open source CMS that has the abilities of eZ Publish.
During that time I also did a lot of implementations of "Conversational Marketing" (blogs with marketing purposes) and they were of course all in WordPress. WordPress can be extended to do a lot of different things, but you're very correct in your pigeonholing of it as a blog solution. Any customization of it requires you to extrapolate your problem as if it was a blogging issue.
With eZ Publish, the community involvement is very expansive and the core of the CMS is built to be customized in any way you would like.
Best of luck, and I would agree with your choice and Nicolas's vote for it.
eZ Publish is definitely the right answer here as it meets to all your requirements by its built-in features or by its extensions.
Yes, eZ Publish learning curve can be tough, but it worths the effort !
eZ Publish will definitely deliver all of those functional requirements almost 100% out-of-the-box. Also, check out the eZ Components / Zeta Components library used by that CMS. Feature-wise TYPO3 is also strong but the code isn't so clean ( IMHO ).
The only other system I know of that can come close is Plone CMS ( Python based ).
Increasingly, I have noticed the number of Content Management Systems in use. I have some familiarity with SiteCore. I have read some literature on Umbraco. I only just got wind of Orchard the other day. I have only heard positive feedback about EPiServer. I am soon to move into a role that uses it.
Do these differ vastly in features and price? What has led you to choose one (or several) over the others?
EDIT
I did a brief review of so-called free CMSs here: On Free Microsoft Compatible Content Management Systems
Reasons I ditched Orchard when developing a 50k page website:
The Orchard CMS import tool is simply too slow. It would only accept
small batches at a time. Initially, it took eight minutes to import
1000 records. So, working on that principle I expected that it could
take seven hours to import all the records. Unfortunately, I started
to receive performance issues as more records were inserted into the
database. I even started to reduce the batch size, which helped only
temporarily in the early stages. (See Saying no to Orchard)
I can only comment mainly on Sitecore and a bit on Umbraco from my knowledge of others using it:
Sitecore is an enterprise level web CMS with an "enterprise price tag." It's very extensible, has a lot of developer/community support, and is very developer friendly. The structure of content is based on a tree of nodes with parent-children relationships. Sitecore is well known in the WCM community as a leader in content management and is rated very well by companies sch as Forrester Research, etc.
Based on my previous research and conversations with friends, Umbraco is very similar to Sitecore. It has a lower price compared to Sitecore but its not a complete rip off. Umbraco is also built on ASP.NET like Sitecore.
Here's a three-part series on Sitecore vs. Umbraco from a developer.
Of the ones you mention above, I have only used Umbraco and Sitecore to build with and am certified in both. I like the way they allow me to build systems that really work well for my customers. They both have a feel that they simply give you building blocks to create your masterpiece instead of "modules" of functionality plugged in that give you a blog, forum, etc. They make it really easy to share content throughout the site and create really nice admin experiences.
Umbraco's community is really great. They both struggle a little on the documentation side IMO, but Umbraco's videos really help and the community is quick to help. Also, if you're talking cost then its free (Umbraco) vs. quite expensive (Sitecore).
But the reality is that each developer has their own taste and the style of CMS they like to work with. Ultimately, its the team that has to build the site that really matters most when it comes to how each CMS performs for the end user.
In addition to the links above, here are a couple blog posts that may help you get a feel for the different systems:
Orchard & Umbraco - Introduction (part 1 of 4) - Aaron Powell
Sitecore vs. Umbraco Terminology
Good luck!
I mostly work with EPiServer and Sitecore, and I can tell you the difference in short:
Sitecore has broader architecture and more powerfull UI. CMS is deeply configurable and highly extensible, it has clever publishing and caching system, powerful search and page editor. But it doesn't provide much out of box and UI is pretty old, slow and hard to learn. So this will be a long journey until you understand it good and make a good support of all its features for editors.
EPiServer is easy, friendly to users and developers. It provides an essential bunch of features out of box, has easy UI and page editor, good drag-and-drop experience, easy personalization. It is code-first, distributed with NuGet, provides dependency injection for its services, out of box MVC support. But it's not so extensible and configurable, has pure search (without expensive EPiFind module) and generally lower-featured comparing to Sitecore. So it's good for small/middle websites, but can be an obstacle in complex solutions.
Both have similar tree-item concept, rich documentation, pure public module system and hard UI customization. Both expensive and not open source.
As I know, Umbraco is pretty similar to EPiServer and Sitecore, but free and open source. Of course you get less features, more bugs, not much docs and no free support.
Orchard is really different comparing to other three CMS. It is module-based like Wordpress: you use standard or public modules and themes, instead of writing the whole website from scratch. You create your own themes and modules to customize the website and CMS. So entire CMS is highly extensible and provides a lot of free community modules. But in the same time you lose control and learning curve is much longer. Orchard is free and open-source, entirely MVC-based, UI and API are well done, but it can be hard for both developers and editors to understand it.
Wordpress vs Episerver:
http://tedgustaf.com/blog/2011/2/comparison-of-episerver-and-wordpress/
OK so the guy who wrote that is an Episerver consultant but it's interesting and balanced.
All the different web content management systems have different strengths. So which one is best for you depends a lot on what kind of sites you create, what kind of budget you have and what you think matters the most in a CMS.
For example, Orchard and SiteCore are VERY different systems.
I'm a bit biased as I work there, but I believe that Webnodes CMS have several important advantages over the systems you mention.
Keywords: Relations between content, actual classes for the different content types, custom LINQ provider for all data access, expose all content as an OData endpoint etc.
Microsoft used our CMS to demonstrate OData at Mix11. Video from Mix 11
Is there any CMS such as expression engine or wordpress that allows a user to click a button and convert all the text to another language (it would have to be human generated otherwise it has too many mistakes probably).
I'd like to know if there are any good solutions out there that work for real world use, in like business company websites.
Tridion CMS is designed to assist in website translation. They even have translation services to help you through the process of translating your content. It is not a cheap solution but is a viable solution.
As noted above - this is a huge topic and not easily answered briefly. But here are some things to consider...
NO CMS on the market today elegantly interoperates, out of the box, with translation technology for use in real-world translation projects. Reports from clients we've worked with have even raised concerns about the SDL integration.
At best - a handful of CMS's either offer very light-weight features that "appear" to help (side-by-side editing that prevents use of TM) but don't scale or have modest oem connectors to captive translation providers (CQ5<>TDC).
If your needs are modest - these might work fine.
But if you're serious about localization and have a moderate to high volume of content and want to work with any translation provider - you need a proper, rich, scalable integration between your CMS and the TMS (translation management system) used by your Translation firm (LSP).
Regrettably - these are scarce. We do nothing BUT build these connectors and use a neutral platform to provide direct integration all sorts of translation providers and technologies, the full SDL suite included - and still we've only been able to build a few rich CMS plug-in connectors because they are very complicated and require substantial development effort - IF they are going to be useful.
But the CMS choice you make should be driven as much by your broader needs. Localization should only be one facet of the decision process.
I guess the harsh reality is that there is NO CMS that will do what you descibe without smoe modification or a connector.
RK
I would recoomend you to use Kentico CMS.
See the video on Multilingual support in Kentico CMS:
http://devnet.kentico.com/Blogs/Martin-Hejtmanek/March-2010/Webinar-5---Multilingual-support-in-Kentico-CMS.aspx
Kentico CMS offers multilingual functionality including Right-to-Left languages and Eastern languages. Please see some "live" examples:
Site in 10 languages (incl. Chinese) : http://www.chep.com
Site in 7 languages (incl. Japan, Korean): http://www.wayoutback.com
Arabic: http://www.scb.gov.sa/
Hebrew: http://www.medicsfile.co.il/
Chinese: http://www.royalcaribbean-asia.com/?lang=zh-CN
Hindi site: http://www.rajasthantourism.gov.in/
More details on multiple languages support:
http://www.kentico.com/cms-asp-net-features/Content-management/Multiple-languages.aspx
Kentico also offers Translation Management:
http://devnet.kentico.com/docs/devguide/index.html?translation_management_overview.htm
Especially the translation status overview makes it really easy to manage multilingual web sites. If only a part of web site is translated then you can set to combine the rest with the original language without adding the missing pages in it manually.
By default Hippo CMS utilizes Google Translate, but you can plugin your own translation engine / review process. See for more information: http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-cms/hippo-cms-75-launched-introduces-drag-drop-layout-localization-channel-management-010391.php/
If your organization already uses SDL for translation services then using SDL Tridion is a natural choice because of the built-in connector to send Tridion content for translation using a right-click on the GUI item. After translation, it is updated in the CMS and the author is notified.
SDL Bought Tridion a few years ago and has been maturing this solution since then. Today it is available in the current release, Tridion 2011 SP1, and is compatible with both World Server and Translation Management Server.
This is all human translation and any solution that honestly recommends machine translation for final content is not serious about it.
Drupal 8 is the best option available for Multilingual capability... Although you have to wait a little bit for its release, You will get a good result. Also earlier versions of drupal including Drupal 7 supports multilingual functionality.
But Drupal 8 will have more features...With Drupal 8 multilingual functionality, it is possible to translate anything in the system.
The multilingual functionality provides language configuration, assignment and detection functionality. It also provides a user interface to the existing back-end support for automatic software translation. Now it’s more easier to translate contents with the build-in user interfaces.
Plz refer the link for more detailed info Drupal 8- What’s new and Expected Inside
Day Communique (CQ5 - now ADEP), in combination with a third-party translation vendor, can do this job.
In Communique/ADEP, you manage your pages in whatever native language you choose. Once they are done, you kick off a translations workflow. This will go to your translation vendor (of which there are several). The vendor will have a human translate it, and possibly also use software to speed up the translation process. It will come back to you for approval in the workflow, if you wish. Otherwise, it will just be published to your web site.
So yes, from the user's perspective, one click can indeed translate a page in multiple languages, and publish it to multiple web sites. Our company is doing this, only we are doing our own in-house translation.
I have not used this, but I looked into it awhile ago and this looks to be the best solutions I have seen.
http://umbraco.org/blog/2009/3/25/microsoft-translator-and-umbraco
That is not how major businesses do translation. It's good for quick and dirty, general idea translation, but it's not for anyone serious about messaging to multiple languages and cultures. Typically, businesses work with translation vendors and grow translation memories that help to guide content authors to creating a consistent message and to reuse content (keeping translation costs down).
This is a big subject, not a small one. Honestly, I'm kind of flabbergasted at how to answer this question, so I'll stop here.
I need to set up a CMS for our marketing dept. Basically they need a system that they can
sharing documents with multiple users
editing documents with multiple users
tracking changes
tracking/keeping multiple versions
storing and organizing files
The types of documents are : Illustrator, Photoshop, Pdf, MS word and Excel.
I am in the process of evaluating different CMS to use. Since we are a .Net shop so the first requirement is Windows based. I know we can use Windows SharePoint Services 3.0 or DotNetNuke.
Could anyone give me some suggestion? Thanks a lot!
I don't think you're looking for a CMS so much as a DMS (Document Management System). CMS are usually used for managing web-based content as opposed to documents, or if they do document management they usually do a poor job at it.
For basic management of Illustrator, Photoshop, Pdf, MS word and Excel documents I would look to something along the lines of SharePoint - it will suit your needs well for the PDF / Office documents, though I'm not sure how well it does with Illustration / Photoshop files - I'm sure it will store them but you might not have the full advantage of indexing provided by Sharepoint.
SiteCore is a tad bit on the expensive side, but for what it does it's well worth the investment. I've had a demo of the application and was very impressed with what SiteCore offers for end users. The application is developed in .net so any asp.net developers will be able to add, adjust and modify different items for you.
You've spoke about digital assest management, well here is Razuna, it's an open source digital assest management system that has several kinds of downloads to play with, one even being a pre-setup Virtual Image which can get you started right away. Take a look at it and see what you think.
Good luck on your search, and hope this helped some.
I'd consider Google Docs to begin with.
Otherwise, SharePoint can handle the office documents fairly well. If it's just for the marketing team, the 'free' Windows Sharepoint Services should suffice.
You may then want to look into Adobe Version Cue to handle the Adobe based art files.
An alternative thought would be to consider Version Control, so for example Subversion could work for storing changes, keeping track of changes, etc.
Percussion CMS is a GREAT marketing tool, someone recommended Document Management System for your applications you want to integrate and use with your CMS however; the key word is marketing tool. Percussion CMS is a great investment tool to help establish your online presence! With solutions like community marketing, personalization and web analytics these solutions are geared to generate a response from site users. Community marketing helps to engage socially with your visitors in facebook, twitter and community forums. Personalization helps with brand identity, features including product promotion and help your site's represent your company the way you want to be perceived. Lastly web analytics track users and report data back to marketers including information on bounce rates and geo-tracking. Reports showing whose visiting your site and their behaviors. Most importantly the Web CMS is fool proof. It is not code based or needs a webmaster to publish the content for your website. It's extremely user friendly.