I have been recently looking into event sourcing and have some questions about the interactions with clients.
So event-sourcing sounds great. decoupling all your microservices, keeping your information in immutable events and formulating a stored states off of that to fit your needs is really handy. Having event propagate through your system/services and reacting to events in their own way is all fine.
The issue i am having lies with understanding the client interaction.
So you want clients to interact with the system, but they need to do this now by events. They can not longer submit a state to mutate your existing one.
So the question is how do clients fire off specific event and interact with (not only an event based system) but a system based on event sourcing.
My understanding is that you no longer use the rest api as resources (which you can get, update, delete, etc.. handling them as a resource), but you instead post to an endpoint as an event.
So how do these endpoint work?
my second question is how does the user get responses back?
for instance lets say we have an event to place an order.
your going to fire off an event an its going to do its thing. Again my understanding is that you dont now validate the request, e.g. checking if the user ordering the order has enough money, but instead fire it to be place and it will be handled in the system.
e.g. it will not be
- order placed
- this will be picked up by the pricing service and it will either fire an reserved money or money exceeded event based on if the user can afford it.
- The order service will then listen for those and then mark the order as denied or not enough credit.
So because this is a async process and the user has fired and forgotten, how do you then show the user it has either failed or succeeded? do you show them an order confirmation page with the order status as it is (even if its pending)
or do you poll it until it changes (web sockets or something).
I'm sorry if a lot of this is all nonsense, I am still learning about this architecture and am very much in the mindset of a monolith with REST responses.
Any help would be appreciated.
The issue i am having lies with understanding the client interaction.
Some of the issue may be understanding, but I promise you a fair share of the issue is that the literature sucks.
In particular, the word "Event" gets re-used a lot of different ways. If you aren't paying very careful attention to which meaning is being used, you are going to get knotted.
Event Sourcing is really about persistence - how does a micro-server store its private copy of state for later re-use? Instead of destructively overwriting our previous state, we write new information that links back to the previous state. If you imagine each microservice storing each change of state as a commit in its own git repository, you are in the right ballpark.
That's a different animal from using Event Messages to communicate information between one microservice and another.
There's some obvious overlap, of course, because the one message that you are likely to share with other microservices is "I just changed state".
So how do these endpoint work?
The same way that web forms do. I send you a representation of a form, the client displays the form to you. You fill in your data and submit the form, the client processes the contents of the form, and sends back to me an HTTP request with a "FormSubmitted" event in the message body.
You can achieve similar results by sending new representations of the state, but its a bit error prone to strip away the semantic intent and then try to guess it again on the server. So you are more likely to instead see task based user interfaces, or protocols that clearly identify the semantics of the change.
When the outside world is the authority for some piece of data (a shopper's shipping address, for example), you are more likely to see the more traditional "just edit the existing representation" approach.
So because this is a async process and the user has fired and forgotten, how do you then show the user it has either failed or succeeded?
Fire and forget really doesn't work for a distributed protocol on an unreliable network. In most cases, at-least-once delivery is important, so Fire until verified is the more common option. The initial acknowledgement of the message might be something like 202 Accepted -- "We received your message, we wrote it down, here's our current progress, here are some links you can fetch for progress reports".
It doesnt seem to me that event-sourcing fits with the traditional REST model where you CRUD a resource.
Jim Webber's 2011 talk may help to prune away the noise. A REST API is a disguise that your domain model wears; you exchange messages about manipulating resources, and as a side effect your domain model does useful work.
One way you could do this that would look more "traditional" is to work with representations of the event stream. I do a GET /08ff2ec9-a9ad-4be2-9793-18e232dbe615 and it returns me a representation of a list of events. I append a new event onto the end of that list, and PUT /08ff2ec9-a9ad-4be2-9793-18e232dbe615, and interesting side effects happen. Or perhaps I instead create a patch document that describes my change, and PATCH /08ff2ec9-a9ad-4be2-9793-18e232dbe615.
But more likely, I would do something else -- instead of GET /08ff2ec9-a9ad-4be2-9793-18e232dbe615 to fetch a representation of the list of events, I'd probably GET /08ff2ec9-a9ad-4be2-9793-18e232dbe615 to fetch a representation of available protocols - which is to say, a document filled with hyper links. From there, I might GET /08ff2ec9-a9ad-4be2-9793-18e232dbe615/603766ac-92af-47f3-8265-16f003ce5a09 to obtain a representation of the data collection form. I fill in the details of my event, submit the form, and POST /08ff2ec9-a9ad-4be2-9793-18e232dbe615 the form data to the server.
You can, of course, use any spelling you like for the URI.
In the first case, we need something like an HTTP capable document editor; the second case uses something more like a web browser.
If there were lots of different kinds of events, then the second case might well have lots of different form resources, all submitting POST /08ff2ec9-a9ad-4be2-9793-18e232dbe615 requests.
(You don't have to have all of the forms submitting to the same URI, but there are advantages to consider).
In a non event sourcing pattern I guess that would be first put into the database, then the event gets risen.
Even when you aren't event sourcing, there may still be some advantages to committing events to your durable store before emitting them. See Pat Helland: Data on the Outside versus Data on the Inside.
So you want clients to interact with the system, but they need to do this now by events.
Clients don't have to. Client may even not be aware of the underlying event store.
There are a number of trade-offs to consider and decisions to take when implementing an event-sourced system. To start with you can try to name a few pre computer era examples of event-sourced systems and look at their non-functional characteristics.
So the question is how do clients fire off specific event
Clients don't send events. They rather should express an intent (a command). Then it is the responsibility of the event-sourced system to validate the intent and either reject it or accept and store the corresponding event. It would mean that an intent to change the system's state was accepted and the stored event confirms the change.
My understanding is that you no longer use the rest api as resources
REST is one of the options. You just consider different things as resources. A command can be a REST resource. An event-sourced entity can be a resource, to which you POST a command. If you like it async - you can later GET the command to check its status. You can GET an entity to know its current state. You cant GET events from a class of entities as a means of subscription.
If we are talking about an end user, then most likely it doesn't deal with the event store directly. There is some third tier in between, which does CQRS. From a user client perspective it can be provided with REST, GraphQL, SOAP, gRPC or event e-mail. Whatever transport solution you find suitable. Command-processing part from CQRS is what specifically domain-driven. It decides which intent to accept and which to reject.
Event store itself is responsible for the data consistency. I.e. it should not allow two concurrent event leading to invalid state be published. This is what pre-computer event-sourced systems are good at. You usually have some physical object as an entity, so you lock for update by just getting hand of it.
Then an end-user client usually reads from some prepared read model. The responsibility of a read (R in CQRS) component is to prepare read-optimised data for clients. This data may come from multiple event-sourced of the same or different classes. Again, client may interact with a read model with whatever transport is suitable.
While an event-store is consistent and consistent immediately, a read model is eventually consistent. But it's up to you to tune this eventuality.
Just try to throw REST out of the architecture for a while. Consider it a one of available transport options - that may help to look at the root.
My question seems similar to Access and scheduling of FHIR Questionnaire resource but I have something different to get understanding
As per my understanding with fhir supports many complex data types to support scheduling events. I came across many such types including Timing, Period, Schedule, CarePlan and CarePlanActivityDetailComponent So I can manage to store my frequency settings somehow with above types but I can't understand how will actual scheduler work?
Does fhir supports to schedule events and provide event notifications based on scheduler settings (like weekly every Monday 10 AM)? If yes, is there any simple reference example where we can see usage for scheduling?
FHIR is a data exchange standard. Schedule allows you to share a particular Practitioner or Location's schedule (what time slots they have available). You can then create Appointment instances to occupy those slots. You can use Subscription to receive notifications when data changes. You can also schedule events (therapy, patient communications, medications, etc.) to occur at a particular frequency (using the ServiceRequest, CommunicationRequest and MedicationRequest resources respectively). But FHIR is not a general timing service for sending system-level events.
PS(for beginner) : Read first three comments for better understanding
Let's say we have a User, Wallet REST microservices and an API gateway that glues things together. When Bob registers on our website, our API gateway needs to create a user through the User microservice and a wallet through the Wallet microservice.
Now here are a few scenarios where things could go wrong:
User Bob creation fails: that's OK, we just return an error message to the Bob. We're using SQL transactions so no one ever saw Bob in the system. Everything's good :)
User Bob is created but before our Wallet can be created, our API gateway hard crashes. We now have a User with no wallet (inconsistent data).
User Bob is created and as we are creating the Wallet, the HTTP connection drops. The wallet creation might have succeeded or it might have not.
What solutions are available to prevent this kind of data inconsistency from happening? Are there patterns that allow transactions to span multiple REST requests? I've read the Wikipedia page on Two-phase commit which seems to touch on this issue but I'm not sure how to apply it in practice. This Atomic Distributed Transactions: a RESTful design paper also seems interesting although I haven't read it yet.
Alternatively, I know REST might just not be suited for this use case. Would perhaps the correct way to handle this situation to drop REST entirely and use a different communication protocol like a message queue system? Or should I enforce consistency in my application code (for example, by having a background job that detects inconsistencies and fixes them or by having a "state" attribute on my User model with "creating", "created" values, etc.)?
What doesn't make sense:
distributed transactions with REST services. REST services by definition are stateless, so they should not be participants in a transactional boundary that spans more than one service. Your user registration use case scenario makes sense, but the design with REST microservices to create User and Wallet data is not good.
What will give you headaches:
EJBs with distributed transactions. It's one of those things that work in theory but not in practice. Right now I'm trying to make a distributed transaction work for remote EJBs across JBoss EAP 6.3 instances. We've been talking to RedHat support for weeks, and it didn't work yet.
Two-phase commit solutions in general. I think the 2PC protocol is a great algorithm (many years ago I implemented it in C with RPC). It requires comprehensive fail recovery mechanisms, with retries, state repository, etc. All the complexity is hidden within the transaction framework (ex.: JBoss Arjuna). However, 2PC is not fail proof. There are situations the transaction simply can't complete. Then you need to identify and fix database inconsistencies manually. It may happen once in a million transactions if you're lucky, but it may happen once in every 100 transactions depending on your platform and scenario.
Sagas (Compensating transactions). There's the implementation overhead of creating the compensating operations, and the coordination mechanism to activate compensation at the end. But compensation is not fail proof either. You may still end up with inconsistencies (= some headache).
What's probably the best alternative:
Eventual consistency. Neither ACID-like distributed transactions nor compensating transactions are fail proof, and both may lead to inconsistencies. Eventual consistency is often better than "occasional inconsistency". There are different design solutions, such as:
You may create a more robust solution using asynchronous communication. In your scenario, when Bob registers, the API gateway could send a message to a NewUser queue, and right-away reply to the user saying "You'll receive an email to confirm the account creation." A queue consumer service could process the message, perform the database changes in a single transaction, and send the email to Bob to notify the account creation.
The User microservice creates the user record and a wallet record in the same database. In this case, the wallet store in the User microservice is a replica of the master wallet store only visible to the Wallet microservice. There's a data synchronization mechanism that is trigger-based or kicks in periodically to send data changes (e.g., new wallets) from the replica to the master, and vice-versa.
But what if you need synchronous responses?
Remodel the microservices. If the solution with the queue doesn't work because the service consumer needs a response right away, then I'd rather remodel the User and Wallet functionality to be collocated in the same service (or at least in the same VM to avoid distributed transactions). Yes, it's a step farther from microservices and closer to a monolith, but will save you from some headache.
This is a classic question I was asked during an interview recently How to call multiple web services and still preserve some kind of error handling in the middle of the task. Today, in high performance computing, we avoid two phase commits. I read a paper many years ago about what was called the "Starbuck model" for transactions: Think about the process of ordering, paying, preparing and receiving the coffee you order at Starbuck... I oversimplify things but a two phase commit model would suggest that the whole process would be a single wrapping transaction for all the steps involved until you receive your coffee. However, with this model, all employees would wait and stop working until you get your coffee. You see the picture ?
Instead, the "Starbuck model" is more productive by following the "best effort" model and compensating for errors in the process. First, they make sure that you pay! Then, there are message queues with your order attached to the cup. If something goes wrong in the process, like you did not get your coffee, it is not what you ordered, etc, we enter into the compensation process and we make sure you get what you want or refund you, This is the most efficient model for increased productivity.
Sometimes, starbuck is wasting a coffee but the overall process is efficient. There are other tricks to think when you build your web services like designing them in a way that they can be called any number of times and still provide the same end result. So, my recommendation is:
Don't be too fine when defining your web services (I am not convinced about the micro-service hype happening these days: too many risks of going too far);
Async increases performance so prefer being async, send notifications by email whenever possible.
Build more intelligent services to make them "recallable" any number of times, processing with an uid or taskid that will follow the order bottom-top until the end, validating business rules in each step;
Use message queues (JMS or others) and divert to error handling processors that will apply operations to "rollback" by applying opposite operations, by the way, working with async order will require some sort of queue to validate the current state of the process, so consider that;
In last resort, (since it may not happen often), put it in a queue for manual processing of errors.
Let's go back with the initial problem that was posted. Create an account and create a wallet and make sure everything was done.
Let's say a web service is called to orchestrate the whole operation.
Pseudo code of the web service would look like this:
Call Account creation microservice, pass it some information and a some unique task id 1.1 Account creation microservice will first check if that account was already created. A task id is associated with the account's record. The microservice detects that the account does not exist so it creates it and stores the task id. NOTE: this service can be called 2000 times, it will always perform the same result. The service answers with a "receipt that contains minimal information to perform an undo operation if required".
Call Wallet creation, giving it the account ID and task id. Let's say a condition is not valid and the wallet creation cannot be performed. The call returns with an error but nothing was created.
The orchestrator is informed of the error. It knows it needs to abort the Account creation but it will not do it itself. It will ask the wallet service to do it by passing its "minimal undo receipt" received at the end of step 1.
The Account service reads the undo receipt and knows how to undo the operation; the undo receipt may even include information about another microservice it could have called itself to do part of the job. In this situation, the undo receipt could contain the Account ID and possibly some extra information required to perform the opposite operation. In our case, to simplify things, let's say is simply delete the account using its account id.
Now, let's say the web service never received the success or failure (in this case) that the Account creation's undo was performed. It will simply call the Account's undo service again. And this service should normaly never fail because its goal is for the account to no longer exist. So it checks if it exists and sees nothing can be done to undo it. So it returns that the operation is a success.
The web service returns to the user that the account could not be created.
This is a synchronous example. We could have managed it in a different way and put the case into a message queue targeted to the help desk if we don't want the system to completly recover the error". I've seen this being performed in a company where not enough hooks could be provided to the back end system to correct situations. The help desk received messages containing what was performed successfully and had enough information to fix things just like our undo receipt could be used for in a fully automated way.
I have performed a search and the microsoft web site has a pattern description for this approach. It is called the compensating transaction pattern:
Compensating transaction pattern
All distributed systems have trouble with transactional consistency. The best way to do this is like you said, have a two-phase commit. Have the wallet and the user be created in a pending state. After it is created, make a separate call to activate the user.
This last call should be safely repeatable (in case your connection drops).
This will necessitate that the last call know about both tables (so that it can be done in a single JDBC transaction).
Alternatively, you might want to think about why you are so worried about a user without a wallet. Do you believe this will cause a problem? If so, maybe having those as separate rest calls are a bad idea. If a user shouldn't exist without a wallet, then you should probably add the wallet to the user (in the original POST call to create the user).
IMHO one of the key aspects of microservices architecture is that the transaction is confined to the individual microservice (Single responsibility principle).
In the current example, the User creation would be an own transaction. User creation would push a USER_CREATED event into an event queue. Wallet service would subscribe to the USER_CREATED event and do the Wallet creation.
If my wallet was just another bunch of records in the same sql database as the user then I would probably place the user and wallet creation code in the same service and handle that using the normal database transaction facilities.
It sounds to me you are asking about what happens when the wallet creation code requires you touch another other system or systems? Id say it all depends on how complex and or risky the creation process is.
If it's just a matter of touching another reliable datastore (say one that can't participate in your sql transactions), then depending on the overall system parameters, I might be willing to risk the vanishingly small chance that second write won't happen. I might do nothing, but raise an exception and deal with the inconsistent data via a compensating transaction or even some ad-hoc method. As I always tell my developers: "if this sort of thing is happening in the app, it won't go unnoticed".
As the complexity and risk of wallet creation increases you must take steps to ameliorate the risks involved. Let's say some of the steps require calling multiple partner apis.
At this point you might introduce a message queue along with the notion of partially constructed users and/or wallets.
A simple and effective strategy for making sure your entities eventually get constructed properly is to have the jobs retry until they succeed, but a lot depends on the use cases for your application.
I would also think long and hard about why I had a failure prone step in my provisioning process.
One simple Solution is you create user using the User Service and use a messaging bus where user service emits its events , and Wallet Service registers on the messaging bus, listens on User Created event and create Wallet for the User. In the mean time , if user goes on Wallet UI to see his Wallet, check if user was just created and show your wallet creation is in progress, please check in some time
What solutions are available to prevent this kind of data inconsistency from happening?
Traditionally, distributed transaction managers are used. A few years ago in the Java EE world you might have created these services as EJBs which were deployed to different nodes and your API gateway would have made remote calls to those EJBs. The application server (if configured correctly) automatically ensures, using two phase commit, that the transaction is either committed or rolled back on each node, so that consistency is guaranteed. But that requires that all the services be deployed on the same type of application server (so that they are compatible) and in reality only ever worked with services deployed by a single company.
Are there patterns that allow transactions to span multiple REST requests?
For SOAP (ok, not REST), there is the WS-AT specification but no service that I have ever had to integrate has support that. For REST, JBoss has something in the pipeline. Otherwise, the "pattern" is to either find a product which you can plug into your architecture, or build your own solution (not recommended).
I have published such a product for Java EE: https://github.com/maxant/genericconnector
According to the paper you reference, there is also the Try-Cancel/Confirm pattern and associated Product from Atomikos.
BPEL Engines handle consistency between remotely deployed services using compensation.
Alternatively, I know REST might just not be suited for this use case. Would perhaps the correct way to handle this situation to drop REST entirely and use a different communication protocol like a message queue system?
There are many ways of "binding" non-transactional resources into a transaction:
As you suggest, you could use a transactional message queue, but it will be asynchronous, so if you depend on the response it becomes messy.
You could write the fact that you need to call the back end services into your database, and then call the back end services using a batch. Again, async, so can get messy.
You could use a business process engine as your API gateway to orchestrate the back end microservices.
You could use remote EJB, as mentioned at the start, since that supports distributed transactions out of the box.
Or should I enforce consistency in my application code (for example, by having a background job that detects inconsistencies and fixes them or by having a "state" attribute on my User model with "creating", "created" values, etc.)?
Playing devils advocate: why build something like that, when there are products which do that for you (see above), and probably do it better than you can, because they are tried and tested?
In micro-services world the communication between services should be either through rest client or messaging queue. There can be two ways to handle the transactions across services depending on how are you communicating between the services. I will personally prefer message driven architecture so that a long transaction should be a non blocking operation for a user.
Lets take you example to explain it :
Create user BOB with event CREATE USER and push the message to a message bus.
Wallet service subscribed to this event can create a wallet corresponding to the user.
The one thing which you have to take care is to select a robust reliable message backbone which can persists the state in case of failure. You can use kafka or rabbitmq for messaging backbone. There will be a delay in execution because of eventual consistency but that can be easily updated through socket notification. A notifications service/task manager framework can be a service which update the state of the transactions through asynchronous mechanism like sockets and can help UI to update show the proper progress.
Personally I like the idea of Micro Services, modules defined by the use cases, but as your question mentions, they have adaptation problems for the classical businesses like banks, insurance, telecom, etc...
Distributed transactions, as many mentioned, is not a good choice, people now going more for eventually consistent systems but I am not sure this will work for banks, insurance, etc....
I wrote a blog about my proposed solution, may be this can help you....
https://mehmetsalgar.wordpress.com/2016/11/05/micro-services-fan-out-transaction-problems-and-solutions-with-spring-bootjboss-and-netflix-eureka/
Eventual consistency is the key here.
One of the services is chosen to become primary handler of the event.
This service will handle the original event with single commit.
Primary handler will take responsibility for asynchronously communicating the secondary effects to other services.
The primary handler will do the orchestration of other services calls.
The commander is in charge of the distributed transaction and takes control. It knows the instruction to be executed and will coordinate executing them. In most scenarios there will just be two instructions, but it can handle multiple instructions.
The commander takes responsibility of guaranteeing the execution of all instructions, and that means retires.
When the commander tries to effect the remote update and doesn’t get a response, it has no retry.
This way the system can be configured to be less prone to failure and it heals itself.
As we have retries we have idempotence.
Idempotence is the property of being able to do something twice such a way that the end results be the same as if it had been done once only.
We need idempotence at the remote service or data source so that, in the case where it receives the instruction more than once, it only processes it once.
Eventual consistency
This solves most of distributed transaction challenges, however we need to consider couple of points here.
Every failed transaction will be followed by a retry, the amount of attempted retries depends on the context.
Consistency is eventual i.e., while the system is out of consistent state during a retry, for example if a customer has ordered a book, and made a payment and then updates the stock quantity. If the stock update operations fail and assuming that was the last stock available, the book will still be available till the retry operation for the stock updating has succeeded. After the retry is successful your system will be consistent.
Why not use API Management (APIM) platform that supports scripting/programming? So, you will be able to build composite service in the APIM without disturbing micro services. I have designed using APIGEE for this purpose.
I recently read a lot about CQRS and for me it seems like it's closely tied up to Event Sourcing.
But like this answer said https://stackoverflow.com/a/9217461/277067
For me Event SOurcing seems a bit too complicated/scary for a beginners like me ("what ? my object current state is nto stored anywhere ??").
So i'd like to know if indeed they are tied up or if there is any tools/famework that would help for doing cqrs (event observer, command handler) without the complicated part of event sourcing.
Thanks
Short answer: No, CQRS and event-sourcing are not tied to each other.
Long answer: No, CQRS and event-sourcing are not tied to each other, and they aren't tied as well to domain-driven design (DDD).
If you want to define what CQRS, event-sourcing and DDD are in a few words, you may come up with explanations as the following ones (yes of course, they are over-simplified, but that's exactly the point here):
CQRS is a design pattern that separates writing state from reading state (commands vs queries).
Event-sourcing is a way to store data in a database, where the deltas are stored rather than the actual state.
DDD is a method to make communication on the domain easier within interdisciplinary teams.
Each of them works without the others very well. E.g., you can model a domain using DDD, and then implement it without CQRS or event-sourcing. You may also do event-sourcing without ever needing DDD or CQRS. And so on…
But: The three concepts play very well together, which is why they are often called together within a single sentence. So, no they aren't tied to each other, but they make a lot of sense in combination with each other.
The following picture shows how they may interact with each other:
(The image is taken from the documentation of wolkenkit, a CQRS and event-sourcing framework for JavaScript and Node.js.)
CQRS describes that you send commands to the write model, and that you receive events and subscribe to queries from the read model.
Event-sourcing is used with the write model to store the events that are published as result of the commands the client sends.
DDD is used within the write model to turn commands into events and to run the appropriate logic.
You can use CQRS without Event Sourcing. In command handler you are using some Repository to get or save last state of aggregate root. Just implement simple Repository, wich will save and load state straight from database.
No they are not tied up IMO, you can find my rationale to a related question here
in a short answer, I should say: we can have CQRS without event sourcing. but we can not have event sourcing without CQRS. in general, we have 3 type of CQRS: standard, event sourcing, and eventual consistency.
CQRS and EventSourcing are independent of each other. But based on requirement, we can combine them achieve great result.
Lets take some examples:
CQRS (with out event sourcing):
Ecommerce load balancer: Mostly all requests to ecommerce website are get requests, where user will browse through the available products. And there are sellers who will update these products and related information, but will do less frequently but in bulk. This seller requests can be served from one server and user requests can be served from other servers. Both these servers are fetching/updating data from same DB(single point of source).
Here there is no event sourcing. But we are able to split the read & write at load balancer level.
Database master/slave: Some times we can use slave to handle read requests if database throughput is high. Here again we are able to split read & write logic without event sourcing.
EventSourcing(with out CQRS):
Ecommerce callbacks: Lets say you want to send a mail/notification to customer regarding order confirmation or cancellation after an order state change. Here we can create an event after order state change and all the subscribers listening to that event will consume these events. In our example mail/notification class will listen to this event and will immediately send mail or notif. Here there is no CQRS involved.