I want to have 2 applications that communicate over internet, socket base. Each is a server and a client. Each applications will only know the IP address of the other peer, but not the port number. Port number is random, whatever is free on the system when the application starts.
Idea would be one application sends some kind of discovery message containing its own port number as payload data. The other receives the message and starts communication using the received port number.
Could someone recommend how to send this "discovery message" to detect the port number used by the other peer, without using a server to exchange the information?
Thanks
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I read something I found contradictory with my current understanding of ports. If you google "how many ports does a server have", the first thing to come up states the following:
The server generally only ever uses one port, no matter how many clients are connected. It is the tuple of (client IP, client port,
server IP, server port) that must be unique for each TCP connection -
so the limit of 65535 ports is only relevant for how many connections
a single client can make to a single server.
I thought each time a client establishes a connection to a server, then a socket is creating using a regular port for the connection between the two?
If no, does it mean that a server can have more clients connected to it, than the maximum amount of regular ports?
I thought each time a client establishes a connection to a server, then a socket is creating using a regular port for the connection between the two?
The term "port" in this context is being used to describe, essentially, an address. The port number, along with the IP address, uniquely identifies one endpoint of the network.
Not only does the server endpoint generally only use a single port number, it would be a lot more difficult to make connections to the server if it didn't, because what port number would the client endpoint use to request the connection? DNS allows a client to look up the IP address, if the IP address is not already know, but there's no such facility for port numbers. So the port number has to be known in advance.
So, no…it is not the case that each time a client makes a connection, a socket is created using a "regular port" for the connection between the two. There's no "regular port". There's just "port", all ports are the same, and they are simply a number that identifies the endpoint's address.
If no, does it mean that a server can have more clients connected to it, than the maximum amount of regular ports?
Yes, it can. On the server end, the port number is (generally) always the same. For example, an HTTP server will (generally) use port 80. The listening socket will have as its port number "80", as will the server-side socket for each connection.
The port number can be reused like this, because each socket has other identifying characteristics besides the IP address and port number. In particular, the server's listening socket is unique; there is only one socket on the server end that has that IP address, that port number, and which has no connections (i.e. is listening).
Once a connection is made, a new socket is created to represent that connection. And that socket can be uniquely identified, because unlike the listening socket, it does have a connection (i.e. a remote endpoint) associated with it, along with the IP address and port number. When the client endpoint sends data to the server, the network layer can tell which socket to which that should be delivered, because that data comes from a specific remote endpoint, which also has a unique IP address and port number.
The combination of the server's and client's unique IP addresses and port numbers uniquely identifies that connection, making it distinct from any other socket on the server that may have the same server-side endpoint's IP address and port number.
In the text you quoted, this part is describing exactly this distinct, unique identification of a socket:
It is the tuple of (client IP, client port, server IP, server port) that must be unique for each TCP connection
In this way, the server's IP address and port number can be used an indefinite number of times (not counting other constrained resources on the server, like memory and tables that hold the state of the network connections).
The limitation on port numbers only comes into play when trying to create additional listening sockets (for servers) or additional connections (for clients). Servers typically won't run out of port numbers unless they are implementing a protocol that requires the server to create a connection back to a client's listening socket (this is uncommon), and clients won't run out of port numbers unless they try to make a very large number of connections.
It is this latter limit that this part of the text you quoted is referring to:
the limit of 65535 ports is only relevant for how many connections a single client can make to a single server.
My understanding is that a socket corresponds to a network identifier, port and TCP identifier. [1]
Operating systems enable a process to be associated with a port (which IIUC is a way of making the process addressable on the network for inbound data).
So a WebSocket server will typically be associated with a port well-known for accepting and understanding HTTP for the upgrade request (like 443) and then use TCP identifiers to enable multiple network sockets to be open concurrently for a single server process and a single port.
Please can someone confirm or correct my understanding?
[1] "To provide for unique names at
each TCP, we concatenate a NETWORK identifier, and a TCP identifier
with a port name to create a SOCKET name which will be unique
throughout all networks connected together." https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc675
When a client connects to your server on a given port, the client connection is coming from an IP address and a client-side port number. The client-side port number is automatically generated by the client and will be unique for that client. So, you end up with four items that make a connection.
Server IP address (well known to all clients)
Server port (well known to all clients)
Client IP address (unique for that client)
Client port (dynamically unique for that client and that socket)
So, it is the combination of these four items that make a unique TCP connection. If the same client makes a second connection to the same server and port, then that second connection will have a different client port number (each connection a client makes will be given a different client port number) and thus the combination of those four items above will be different for that second client connection, allowing it's traffic to be completely separate from the first connection that client made.
So, a TCP socket is a unique combination of the four items above. To see how that is used, let's look at how some traffic flows.
After a client connects to the server and a TCP socket is created to represent that connection, then the client sends a packet. The packet is sent from the client IP address and from the unique client port number that that particular socket is using. When the server receives that packet on its own port number, it can see that the packet is coming from the client IP address and from that particular client port number. It can use these items to look up in its table and see which TCP socket this traffic is associated with and trigger an event for that particular socket. This separates that client's traffic from all the other currently connected sockets (whether they are other connections from that same client or connections from other clients).
Now, the server wants to send a response to that client. The packet is sent to the client's IP address and client port number. The client TCP stack does the same thing. It receives the packet from the server IP/port and addressed to the specific client port number and can then associate that packet with the appropriate TCP socket on the client so it can trigger an event on the right socket.
All traffic can uniquely be associated with the appropriate client or server TCP socket in this way, even though many clients may connect to the same server IP and port. The uniqueness of the client IP/port allows both ends to tell which socket a given packet belongs to.
webSocket connections start out with an HTTP connection (which is a TCP socket running the HTTP protocol). That initial HTTP request contains an "upgrade" header requesting the server to upgrade the protocol from HTTP to webSocket. If the server agrees to the upgrade, then it returns a response that indicates that the protocol will be changed to the webSocket protocol. The TCP socket remains the same, but both sides agree that they will now speak the webSocket protocol instead of the HTTP protocol. So, once connected, you then have a TCP socket where both sides are speaking the webSocket protocol. This TCP connection uses the same logic described above to remain unique from other TCP connections to the same server.
In this manner, you can have a single server on a single port that works for both HTTP connections and webSocket connections. All connections to that server start out as HTTP connections, but some are converted to webSocket connections after both sides agree to change the protocol. The HTTP connections that remain HTTP connections will be typical request/response and then the socket will be closed. The HTTP connections that are "upgraded" to the webSocket protocol will remain open for the duration of the webSocket session (which can be long lived). You can have many concurrent open webSocket connections that are all distinct from one another while new HTTP connections are regularly serviced all by the same server. The TCP logic above is used to keep track of which packets to/from the same server/port belong to which connection.
FYI, you may have heard about NAT (Network Address Translation). This is commonly used to allow private networks (like a home or corporate network) to interface to a public network (like the internet). With NAT a server may see multiple clients as having the same client IP address even though they are physically different computers on a private network). With NAT, multiple computers are routed through a common IP address, but NAT still guarantees that the client IP address and client port number are still a unique combination so the above scheme still works. When using NAT an incoming packet destined for a particular client arrives at the shared IP address. The IP/port is then translated to the actual client IP address and port number on the private network and then packet is forwarded to that device. The server is generally unaware of this translation and packet forwarding. Because the NAT server still maintains the uniqueness of the client IP/client port combination, the server's logic still works just fine even though it appears that many clients are sharing a common IP address). Note, home network routes are usually configured to use NAT since all computers on the home network will "share" the one public IP address that your router has when accessing the internet.
You will not enable multiple sockets, there is no need for it. You will have multiple conections. It's a little different, but you undesrstand well. For UDP there's nothing to do, cause there is no connections.
In TCP, if two different machines connect to the same port on a third machine, there are two distinct connections because the source IPs differ. If the same machine (or two behind NAT or otherwise sharing the same IP address) connects twice to a single remote end, the connections are differentiated by source port, the same machine cannot open 2 connections on the same port.
Let's assume I'm in computer A, I have a few servers running on different ports, but all are basically an instance of the same program (just binding to different ports). Now, computer B, a client, does he need to know what port is the software he wishes to connect to on computer A?
The point is, I am implementing some sort of communication similar to sockets. Everything should work fine but I'm not sure how to create the initial-message from a computer to another - I just don't know to what port to send it to. Does the client know the port he's sending to on the server?
Say here (client): clientsocket.connect(('localhost', 8089)), does the client connect a server running on port 8089? If so, what port is his socket on (what port is he using for the client?
Yes. The only way for the network stack on computer A to know which process to deliver an incoming packet is for computer B to set the correct port in the packet. A web server runs on port 80 by default, but a machine running several distinct web servers will run them on distinct ports, and a client must be specific about which server they want to connect to. http://example.com, http://example.com:8080, and http://example.com:12345 would refer to the servers running on example.com on ports 80, 8080, and 12345, respectively.
In order to know which port to use in your client, you need to read the documentation for the server you want to connect to.
Going in the other direction, the port used by the client to receive responses is typically set by the networking stack automatically. The client doesn't need to do anything special to set it, and the server simply sends packets back to the address/port found in the source portion of the incoming packet.
I am trying a server to get data "www.example.com" with the port "xxxx" and my ip is "192.168.10.6". The server has to send the response to my app through port "yyyy". I sent a request to the server, but the sever sends the response to the ip "203.146.0.9" port "yyyy". And the server shows the log as "Connection rejected by 203.146.0.9:yyyy(port)".
I am very much beginner to the network programming. According to my knowledge the server sends the response to my DNS/router. Which not accepts the communication on that port.
My iPhone app listens the port of the device and not the dns port. How to make my app to listen the DNS port or else how to make the DNS to forward the response comes from the particular server to my local iP.
I gone through some post and some specified the "Bonjour". But I have no idea about that. Can anyone please help me by pointing out such example or documentation to clear this issue?
Short answer: you can't
Long answer:
Whenever you connect to a server through your iPhone, the phone forwards the request to the carrier's router via 3G or GPRS or some other protocol, which forwards the connection to the destination server. On the receiving end, the server sees the router's IP address, not the phone's. Actually, the phone's IP address only exists on the carrier's router, and nowhere else on the internet. You cannot create a public server from an iPhone (only maybe on a local WiFi connection, or if the carrier assigns the phone a public routable IP address). Therefore, you cannot initiate a connection from your server to some iPhone. If you want two way communication, you can however use the iPhone to connect to the server and on the server side, use that channel to send data to the iPhone. NAT may be another solution, but once again, it requires special provisions from your carrier, which may be an option for you, but usually not your clients having iPhones.
I have 2 sip clients on the same computer.
Both of them is registering to a server that is running on port 5060.
For the first client the UDP is on port 5060 and for the other is 5061. When I come from one client to another, after the ringing part i receive the error:
only one usage of each socket address is normally permited.
Got any ideas why I got this error?
Your server and client are both trying to use port 5060, hence the error message. Change the first client to use 5062 or something else.
Also, 5061 is normally used for secured SIP (normal listening port + 1 in the proxy/server). Do not use it for the second client.
It means you're clients are both trying to claim the same socket for the communication channel, or the server is trying to reclaim the socket given to client A, to reuse it for client B.
The software handeling the socket, should be smart enough to rely on the OS to assign port numbers instead of hardcoding the port numbers in the code, this is a 100% guarantee for socket issues.